How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Mukuch]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Mazel Tov.

Yes that exactly what I am talking about...

Typical anti-semite propaganda.... very cheap by the way....

[Mukuch]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

"Four large U.S. xxxish groups have lent support to Turkey’s position in opposing the passage of two resolutions pending in Congress that call for official recognition of World War I-era killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide. B’nai B’rith International, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the American xxxish Committee and the xxxish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) have recently conveyed a letter from Turkish xxxs who oppose the resolution to U.S. congressional leaders, officials from the groups told the Turkish Daily News. Source: Turkish Daily News, April 26, 2007"..

Yes this all is of common knowledg.... I know what ADL is... there is a state of Israel, there are Zionist organizations which have no moral , work just with one objective: everything for xxxs and Israel ... and there are xxxs- People who suffered from Holocaust... and who helped Armenians a lot.... dont make me to bring names you know those names better than me. And generalizing Zionism to all xxxs is very primitive…

[KarotheGreat]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

1. Let's get a few things straight: Israel has for 60 years BLOCKED recognition of the Armenian Genocide IN OTHER COUNTRIES, like the U.S., through powerful lobbies. Iran hasn't. Iran has been one of the key players in ENCOURAGING TURKEY to recognize the AG. Iranians know about the AG from first-hand experience (see point #2). Prior to the creation of Israel, J*wish groups in the U.S. have BLOCKED recognition of the AG starting 96 years ago. Iran hasn't. If you can't spot the difference: I can't help you.

2. Iran gave Armenians refuge and safety during the Genocide: ("Thousands of Armenians had escaped to Iran during the genocide." A History of the Armenian People Volume II, George A. Bournoutian Prof. of Armenian History, Columbia Univ.) While Iran gave protection, food, shelter, and opportunity to Armenians fleeing the Turkish pogroms what did the U.S. do? Nothing.

a) Incidentally, why don't you, and others like you, cut the crap: Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran? Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran? Which is it Karo?

3. Many years ago, when the Soviet Iron-Curtain fell, Iranian President Seyed Mohammad Khatami, in the second day of his official visit to Armenia, visited the Memorial Complex Tsitsernakaberd in Yerevan and laid a wreath on the Memorial for the Victims of the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 and expressed his profound sorrow for those events. Armenia's chief of presidential staff Artashes Tumanian, Yerevan mayor Yervand Zakharian, Armenian deputy foreign minister Ruben Shugarian, and other high-ranking officials accompanied Khatami.

Please do tell me that you protested Israel's slander of Khatami (on behalf of Turkey) when he visited the United States, you did that right? Please tell me that you've done something to return the kindness Iranians have shown Armenians.



3. While Israel puts up statues of Kemal Attaturk (which requires Israeli-government approval) and sells Armenia's mortal enemies arms to kill Armenians during a time of war; Iran has put up dozens of memorials to the Armenian Genocide (which also requires Iranian-government approval). The first memorial of any type to the Armenian Genocide, was in Isfahan Iran. Iran has dozens of memorials to the Armenian Genocide (and nobody had to be "bribed" or "lobbied" as in other countries) - Why don't you explain to me how such memorials were allowed by the government to be put up without their official approval? Give all the details.



4. You want to be honest about America's and Israel's history regarding the AG? Start from when they first knew and explain their behavior up to the present day.

Has the Islamic republic of Iran recognized the Armenian genocide on a state level? Is that such a difficult question?

I know the answer and I also know you can not xxxxx about the Us doing the same thing, I as an Armenian can do that but not one from a country that hasn't recognized itself and you don't even dare to say that they are wrong for not recognizing it.

The wrongs of Israel and the Us don't excuse the wrongs of Iran.

PS the Us as a state from 1915-1922 has done as much, even more than Iran, and they took in more Armenians than Iran did.

[Mos]

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Iranian Vice President Denies ‘Genocide’ Remarks
By: Nanore Barsoumian

Last week, following a conference in Iran titled “Iran: Victory Bridge,” reports surfaced claiming that Iranian Vice President Hamid Baqaei (or Baghaei) had recognized the Armenian Genocide.

The reports quoted Baqaei as saying, “A hundred years ago the Ottoman Empire committed genocide against a certain number of Armenians. Although the Ottoman Empire does not exist now, Armenians have demanded official apologies and restitution from Turkey.”

Turkish news agencies picked up the story, and it was followed by various commentaries and subjected to analysis in many newspapers. The Iranian Embassy in Ankara soon after released a statement saying that Baqaei’s words had been misrepresented.

On Aug. 27, the Iranian Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) published the official statement by the Cultural Heritage, Handicrafts, and Tourism Organization—which Baqaei heads—that said his comments were “not reflected properly and a number of media have reflected their own interpretations on relations between the Ottoman government and the Armenians during World War I.”

The statement went on to note that Baqaei had “referred [to] the case as an issue between Turkey and Armenian governments without giving any comments or analysis.”

Turkey demanded an official explanation from Tehran. Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu spoke with his Iranian counterpart, Manouchehr Mottaki, who reassured him that Iran’s position was in line with Turkey’s. However, Turkey remained unsatisfied without an explanation from Baqaei himself, according to the Hurriyet daily.

Finally, on Aug. 29, Baqaei was quoted by the Anatolia news agency as saying, “We are rejecting the news reports attributed to me in some media outlets.” He said the conference dealt with Iran’s occupation by the U.S., Russia, and Britain during World War II and with Iran’s efforts in raising the issue of damages suffered during that time. “The conference was about this issue,” he said, adding, “Today we have a very strategic, very solid and strong relationship with Turkey. We respect Turkey, which is one of the most important countries in the region.”

The conference “Iran: Victory Bridge” took place on Aug. 25, on the 70th anniversary of the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran by the Allied Powers.

[KanadaHye]

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I think what many are forgetting to mention is that Iran also took a pretty good beating in both world wars whereas entities in U.S., Britain and what came to be Israel benefited.

World War One, Iran, and the Real "Axis of Evil"
by Shaun Walker

American Dissident Voices Broadcast of January 21, 2006

Scenes from Iran

Hello, I'm Shaun Walker. Welcome to American Dissident Voices, the weekly voice of the National Alliance.

To reasonable people, the knowledge that we gain from experiences are meant to help us. We learn from our mistakes and avoid making them again. But, politics are very different. Politics seems to be similar to a poker game. There are a variety of hands on which one can bet, but the end of the game comes when you lay down your cards and one person wins the pot. All the posturing in between is similar to politics. The desired pot of gold in politics is world domination. The J3ws were very open about their desire to eventually go to war against Iraq and Iran. North Korea was also named as a target, but because that country poses no immediate threat to Israel, its priority has slipped down the scale. North Korea's military is also too powerful, and any military engagement in that region would interfere with the current, long-term strategy of integrating China into the world economy.

So, after Iraq was conquered and a puppet government put in place, the next target nation of the so-called "Axis of Evil" is Iran.

Of course, there are certainly weaker countries that could be more easily conquered, such as Cuba or Sudan. Both of these nations are also on the enemy list of the US State Department. But Iran is already in the firing line.

The US covert operations have tried for many years to corrupt the Iranian government and the Iranian youth. The opium being refined in Afghanistan is increasing in volume and flooding into Iran, and is becoming a social problem with the youth. The hard-line religious clerics, who form the real power in that country, have, however, stayed true to their beliefs and the new President of Iran is currently not obeying the J3ws' orders.

Iran has been pressured by J3wish power before, but has remained flexible enough to avoid military entanglements, aside from the war with Iraq, in which the US government prompted Saddam Hussein into waging an aggressive war against Iran. Iran was able to withstand that war and continued to grow.

With that said, Iran is now getting a lion's share of the yellow journalism, and the rattling of the war sabers in Washington and Tel Aviv is growing louder. The Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA), which is the Iranian state news agency, has been quoted extensively as of late, stating that the so-called J3wish Holocaust in World War Two didn't happen. The Iranian government has essentially said that the J3ws have exploited the fabricated wartime propaganda to grab territory in Palestine.

This in itself, in saner times, would mean nothing. There will always be different interpretations of events, but the J3wish Holocaust is not a normal matter. The J3ws have invested a great deal into the Holocaust story and it is now a powerful political tool that they often wield.

To gain an idea of how Iran is currently being set up, a review of the events which led to the end of World War One is highly instructive. A little known fact about the Communist Revolution in Russia was that is was actually facilitated by the German military. At a critical point in the war, the Germans let Lenin and a whole batch of Communist J3ws cross the front line into Russia in a sealed train, with the express understanding that the Communists would try to seize power in that country and take Russia out of the war. This happened exactly as planned.

A peace treaty was signed, in which Germany came out on top. Germany's armed forces in the East were then freed up to be used on the Western Front, which at that stage was in a deadlock. All good and well, but then the Zionist J3ws stepped into the picture. British forces were rolling back the Ottoman Empire, which stretched to Iraq and beyond. As the British forces drew ever closer to Ottoman-occupied Palestine, the Zionists acted: they offered the British government a deal. If they could bring America into the war against Germany, and use their power to weaken Germany internally, then the British must agree to give Palestine to the Zionist cause. The British agreed, and in 1917, the British Foreign Minister, Lord Arthur Balfour, issued the famous Balfour Declaration, which promised Palestine as a J3wish homeland once it had been freed from Ottoman rule.

The J3ws sprang into action: they used their media power in America to whip up public opinion against Germany. The American ruling class was an easy and willing target. They had already invested such huge sums of money in loans to the British and French, and thus had a huge financial interest in seeing Germany lose. They were able to make a huge deal about the sinking of the U.S. ship, the Lusitania, which had illegally shipped munitions and passengers to England. Despite the Americans actually having violated the Neutrality Act, the incident was blown up to agitate the public against Germany.

In Germany itself, the J3ws had a great deal of influence with the trade unions and, more specifically with the organized labor that worked with the arms and munitions industry. All of a sudden, labor unrest started in Germany. Factory workers walked out and refused to make munitions for the German troops who were about to deploy on the West to overrun the badly worn down Allies.

The J3ws also had, surprisingly, a strong influence with the German Navy. Once again, suddenly there was unrest in the German Navy, with little rebellions breaking out onboard a variety of warships. These acts of mutiny were greatly exaggerated by the J3ws in the German media, but it all added up and had the intended effect of lowering moral and weakening Germany.

This Zionist strategy was both risky and convoluted, but it worked. The Germans had to hold off with their final offensive, Operation Michael, until they could get their munitions factories producing again. When they finally did, the fresh US troops had just arrived. America didn't win World War One, but they did turn the tide of Operation Michael.

After the war, the J3ws demanded the nation that they had been promised, but they had burned a lot of bridges in Germany in the process. Many influential Germans were dismayed at the sheer treachery, as almost everyone in Germany knew exactly what had happened. And, to add insult to injury, the German J3ws invited their relatives from America and Britain to take advantage of all the German property that was for sale for virtually nothing. The J3ws quite literally looted Germany. The end result of all of this was, as the world knows, Adolf Hitler.

Now, I started this program off by saying to the effect that wise people will learn from events, but I left something out. People cannot learn from events if they are denied the correct information. Many people today realize that a few, wealthy people who are now mislabeled as the Russian Oligarchs looted Russia. What happened when the Soviet Union collapsed was just another repeat of what the J3ws did in Germany in the 1920s. Really, the two events are remarkably similar. The J3ws held high positions in the Soviet Union era. The KGB was even led by the xxx Yuri Andropov in the 1970s, and he later, albeit briefly, became the leader of the Soviet Union in the 1980s. J3ws in America made up the vast majority of Communist supporters here in America and kept close ties with their J3wish relatives in the Soviet Union. This also went for the J3wish capitalists such as Armand Hammer, who invested billions of dollars in the Soviet Union. But, just as soon as events turned south in the Soviet Union, the J3ws looted the place. Some things never change.

Today, we hear from the J3wish media about how oppressive the leaders in Iran are. This is the same media who told us how Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction how Iraq had been involved in the events of 9-11 and a multitude of other lies. A wise person can see this. And, even more than that, the public as a whole now know that the entire Iraq war was based on a huge pack of lies. There never was any threat from Iraq. Wise people knew this before the war started, but wise people are always the rare minority.

When the J3ws were beating the drums for war in 1917, their media told the public that the Germans had torn the arms off of little babies in Belgium. The British government admitted in the 1920s that they had fabricated those stories. The dishonorable people that work in the Bush administration have every intention of deceiving the American public, and to use the US military to achieve the goals for J3wish interests.

Iran is in the firing line just as when Iraq was in the firing line in 1990. The fake atrocity stories start appearing. Most everyone can remember the tear-filled eyes of the distraught Kuwaiti woman who saw sick Kuwaiti babies being removed from baby incubators by the evil Iraqi Army. It turned out, that the entire story was a lie. They always are. But, this is what really separates the wise people from the masses. The masses will always follow whatever their 'leaders' tell them.

They will sink themselves into debt, to buy the newest spring fashion, even though they have more than enough clothes in new condition. The masses will listen to the most annoying, monkey-like music streaming out of MTV, if they think it is what everyone else listens too. The masses of people will avoid even allowing their brains to look at the race problems that we all face, because their brains fear being outside of what the media defines as normal.

So, even though we are in a horrible and absolutely pointless war in Iraq that was started by faked intelligence warnings the masses are ready to be tricked again.

George W. Bush's first Axis of Evil speech was really powerful to the masses, yet silly to wise people. But, there's a lesson to be learned here too. Within the circles of the racial White people, there is the greatest lack of ability to communicate to the masses. The White Nationalist media, overall, gets an F rating for political communication. This is because the masses respond to emotion. This is their biological nature. White Nationalists use logic, facts and reason. The masses will fall asleep with logic, facts and reason. Their attention span is such, that they will not hear logic, fact and reasons. It quite literally bores them.

The J3ws know this and like this fact. The J3ws really enjoy lying to the White masses.

With this said, Iran has upped the antae in this political poker game. They are now openly mocking the powerful J3wish mythos called the Holocaust.

Now, for those people that don't understand the term "mythos" as opposed to "myth," let me explain. Vampires and dragons are myths. No one really thinks they are real or ever were real. They are just fantasy. But Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster are myth to some, but real to others. When a society believes in a myth, then it is a mythos. In America there is a very destructive mythos called racial equality. It is a myth, but it is now currently believed by so many, hence it becomes a social mythos. And, all over the world, there is a historical mythos called the J3wish Holocaust of World War Two.

This doesn't mean that there weren't any J3wish casualties, but rather the entire event is largely exaggerated with many ghoulish lies mixed in to give a really emotionally disgusting tone to the subject.

So, on the one hand, I must say, hats off to the honesty and courage of the Iranian government to step forward to challenge this harmful dogmatic topic. On the other hand, I know the J3ws are going ballistic with this news and will up the antae again. And, we now are hearing many loud war sabers rattling over Iran.

A story that is not confirmed, but appears to be intentionally leaked, is in regards to Israel planning to take military action against Iran in March unless they toe the J3wish line. This is a shocking news story, but let's looks at what it really is.

Right now the political poker game is being played to either force a war or a collapse of the Iranian government. The end goal is to control Iran. So, just like in poker, a good player knows how to bluff. If you lay down an ace, then you are saying you have a strong suit in your hands, or it might mean you have nothing and are bluffing. This is the same thing with "unconfirmed military secrets." They want to up the stakes in the game. I think Iran will back down on the nukes sooner or later, but as long as they stay independent, the J3ws will think of ways to hurt Iran.

Iraq was just the first act of the "Axis of Evil" world tour and I think Iran might be part two. If so, then we can expect to see some in depth news stories about how evil Iran is. I remember when CNN turned against Afghanistan.

Continued.......

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

The Afghans were the American allies as long as they killed White Russians, who controlled Afghanistan. But, when the Taliban finally took control over most of Afghanistan, they chose to stay independent, which brought them into conflict with the rulers of the planet, the J3ws. CNN started the war sabers against Afghanistan several years before the 9-11 attack. The 9-11 attack became an excuse to do anything. This is something that the leaders of Iran already know. Even if they back down and stop any attempt to make nuclear weapons, they are still the enemy of the J3ws. The J3ws will continue to work to overthrow the Iranian leadership or get America to invade. Iran can be on their best behavior and the J3wish media will make up stories about babies being taken out of incubators or having their arms cut off. The Iranian government might actually be lowering the rate of prostitution in Iran, but the J3wish media will just tell crazy lies about how women are being kidnapped and sold into sex slavery in Iran. These types of stories are well within the norm for J3wish political ethics, when in fact Israel has the largest population of White women currently enslaved in the Israeli xxxxxhouses. But, that is a fact which is denied to the public. That is why the J3ws are so hell-bent on maintaining their stranglehold on the dominant media. The masses can easily be stirred up to feel hatred against J3ws and Israel for all the daily crimes that the J3ws commit against White people and everyone else. This is why Ernst Zundel and David Irving and Germar Rudolph are in jail and waiting to go on trial in insane kangaroo courts. Their crimes are for saying or writing about the Holocaust in a manner that the J3ws dislike.

I used to read about the Salem Witch Trials or the Spanish Inquisition and think that people must have really been stupid back then, but that's not true. Those same people that can be whipped into a bloodthirsty frenzy and want to burn young ladies for witchcraft are with us today, by the millions. Many of them are registered voters. You can go meet them at your local sports bar. They are addicted to sporting games, but will never know any of the people involved. These are the same people that completely lose their brains, sitting in the audience of the Jerry Springer show. These are the same people who will commute an hour each way to work, to live in a White neighborhood, but act indignant at the idea of racial separation.

This is the nature of humans. And, this isn't to say that we should be angry with our fellow Whites for being so easily duped by the J3wish propaganda. These White people, who follow the J3ws, are just part of the vast majority of our race that has been deceived. It is actually a very good, evolutionary advanced trait within the White race that allows such a high percentage of our race to be so totally cooperative and helpful towards the people that they view as their leaders. This trait of rank-and-file orderliness has merely been turned against us currently, but it will be very helpful to our race, once we have racial leaders back in charge.

But, until that day, the J3ws will use their control of the media to convince the world that Iran needs to be destroyed. We can expect more wild media stories aimed against Iran. The fact that Israel has a sizable stockpile of nuclear weapons currently aimed at Iran won't be an issue brought up. The J3ws will not present all the facts and allow people to make up their own minds. The J3wish-controlled media in White nations are really just a form of mind control, not a source of information. And this fact is really just too "extreme" for the average White man or woman to accept right now. This isn't something I like.

I am painfully aware of it and dislike this fact, but what we then must do, today, is reach out to those wise people, that can hear and see for themselves. We must reach that two percent of our race who are independent thinkers and with them we will create a new consciousness; a new order; a new people.

http://www.natvan.com/adv/2006/01-21-06.html

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I used to read about the Salem Witch Trials or the Spanish Inquisition and think that people must have really been stupid back then, but that's not true. Those same people that can be whipped into a bloodthirsty frenzy and want to burn young ladies for witchcraft are with us today

like Islamic extremists.

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There's propaganda on both sides. No one is an angel here. You don't think propaganda also exists in Iran regarding the West? You try to divide the world in "good/right people" and "wrong people" when in fact our world is not that black and white. Every group has done nasty things, has blood on their hands, engages in propaganda, and so on. J3ws like any group are going to look out for their interests and are going to make sure Israel is defended. Same goes with Armenians in diaspora or any other ethnic group with ties to their homeland. In all, I think the notion that 'j3ws control the world' and they are 'brainwashing white people' is a bit paranoid. We must look at the world in a more balanced approach rather than falling in the trap of blaming everything on one particular group - because that's never the case.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

In all, I think the notion that 'j3ws control the world' and they are 'brainwashing white people' is a bit paranoid. We must look at the world in a more balanced approach rather than falling in the trap of blaming everything on one particular group - because that's never the case.

Paranoid my vor. You know for a fact that every bit of information written in that article is true.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Paranoid my vor. You know for a fact that every bit of information written in that article is true.

It's going to take more than one low key article to convince me that j3ws are on a mission to brainwash all white people in the world and control them.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

It's going to take more than one low key article to convince me that j3ws are on a mission to brainwash all white people in the world and control them.

Start by looking into who runs newspapers and the media in every country, including Saudi Arabia. This one low key article should give you a clue as to why it's a low key article and independent media is a rarity.