How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Mos]

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The whole story
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...seph_Lieberman

I guess he had a change in heart? Another surprising sponsor was Schumer because to my knowledge he is member of AIPAC, and similarly fiercely pro Israel.

[Mos]

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Lieberman seems to have been all over the place. Sometimes supporting, sometimes not. Though apparently lately he has been supporting.

Subsequently, however, in 1992, 1994, 1995, and 1996, he joined his colleagues on the Senate floor in honoring the victims of the Armenian Genocide, describing the event as one the 20th century's "greatest tragedies: the death of over 1.5 million Armenians and their exile from their homeland." In his 1996 comments, he spoke against efforts to deny the Genocide and explained the importance of yearly Congressional observances:

"We mark this date in history because it is so important that we remember. We must remember the Armenian Genocide and other abuses of state authority against ethnic minorities. We must remember all of the victims of crimes against humanity. Our memory, our vigilance, is essential to ensuring that these acts do not happen again, to Armenians or any other group."

Lieberman was an early and vocal supporter of the Section 907 restrictions on U.S. aid to Azerbaijan. In speeches in the 1990s, the Senator was vocal in his support for the newly independent Republic of Armenia, and his opposition to Azerbaijani attacks against Nagorno Karabagh. He initiated and co-signed several letters to President George Bush, Secretary of State James Baker and later Secretary of State Warren Christopher condemning Azerbaijani aggression, supporting restrictions on U.S. relations with Azerbaijan, and expressing concern about the Turkish blockade of Armenia. In a statement on the Senate floor on July 24, 1990, Sen. Lieberman advocated the reunification of Nagorno Karabagh with Armenia, stating:

[KanadaHye]

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I guess he had a change in heart? Another surprising sponsor was Schumer because to my knowledge he is member of AIPAC, and similarly fiercely pro Israel.

Yeah, he was backed by ANCA. Really, Adam Schiff is the only politician that I like who backed Armenian interests. His wife is named Eve and his children Alexa and Elijah. I'd say he's a conservative democrat if there is such a thing.

[Persopolis]

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People co-sponsoring Genocide bill of US:

The starting date of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915 - It's 2011.

96 Years Too Late: And this is while Israel Continues to Ship Arms to Azerbaijan to finish off the remaining 3 million Armenians there. Israel-&-Turkey are joined at the hip - The people that made-up the "Young Turks" (the architects of the Armenian Genocide) are many of the same people that were the architects of Israel. There are 3 million Armenians left in Armenia - When will Israel's crimes become a factor? When there's one Armenian left? At this rate Armenians may become extinct or assimilated.


And the United States has known about the AG since the first-day it started happening - it did nothing:

"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion…Protests as well as threats are unavailing and probably incite the Ottoman government to more drastic measures as they are determined to disclaim responsibility for their absolute disregard of capitulations …Suggest you inform belligerent nations and mission boards of this.”

(Source: United States of America, National Archives and Records Administration Record Group 59, Records of the Department of State Decimal File 867, Internal Affairs of Turkey; Decimal File 860J, Internal Affairs of Armenia.)

It's taken the U.S. and Israel 96 years to figure out that Armenians were led on Death Marches?

[KarotheGreat]

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The starting date of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915 - It's 2011.

96 Years Too Late: And this is while Israel Continues to Ship Arms to Azerbaijan to finish off the remaining 3 million Armenians there. Israel-&-Turkey are joined at the hip - The people that made-up the "Young Turks" (the architects of the Armenian Genocide) are many of the same people that were the architects of Israel. There are 3 million Armenians left in Armenia - When will Israel's crimes become a factor? When there's one Armenian left? At this rate Armenians may become extinct or assimilated.


And the United States has known about the AG since the first-day it started happening - it did nothing:

"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion…Protests as well as threats are unavailing and probably incite the Ottoman government to more drastic measures as they are determined to disclaim responsibility for their absolute disregard of capitulations …Suggest you inform belligerent nations and mission boards of this.”

(Source: United States of America, National Archives and Records Administration Record Group 59, Records of the Department of State Decimal File 867, Internal Affairs of Turkey; Decimal File 860J, Internal Affairs of Armenia.)

It's taken the U.S. and Israel 96 years to figure out that Armenians were led on Death Marches?

Can you tell me when Iran as a state will recognize the genocide? Because I see you xxxxxing that the US hasn't done it while Iran is in the same position, no even worse in the US you have state who do recognize it. So tell me when can we expect that from Iran or else drop the hypocritical BS.

[Persopolis]

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Can you tell me when Iran as a state will recognize the genocide? Because I see you xxxxxing that the US hasn't done it while Iran is in the same position, no even worse in the US you have state who do recognize it. So tell me when can we expect that from Iran or else drop the hypocritical BS.

1. Let's get a few things straight: Israel has for 60 years BLOCKED recognition of the Armenian Genocide IN OTHER COUNTRIES, like the U.S., through powerful lobbies. Iran hasn't. Iran has been one of the key players in ENCOURAGING TURKEY to recognize the AG. Iranians know about the AG from first-hand experience (see point #2). Prior to the creation of Israel, J*wish groups in the U.S. have BLOCKED recognition of the AG starting 96 years ago. Iran hasn't. If you can't spot the difference: I can't help you.

2. Iran gave Armenians refuge and safety during the Genocide: ("Thousands of Armenians had escaped to Iran during the genocide." A History of the Armenian People Volume II, George A. Bournoutian Prof. of Armenian History, Columbia Univ.) While Iran gave protection, food, shelter, and opportunity to Armenians fleeing the Turkish pogroms what did the U.S. do? Nothing.

a) Incidentally, why don't you, and others like you, cut the crap: Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran? Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran? Which is it Karo?

3. Many years ago, when the Soviet Iron-Curtain fell, Iranian President Seyed Mohammad Khatami, in the second day of his official visit to Armenia, visited the Memorial Complex Tsitsernakaberd in Yerevan and laid a wreath on the Memorial for the Victims of the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 and expressed his profound sorrow for those events. Armenia's chief of presidential staff Artashes Tumanian, Yerevan mayor Yervand Zakharian, Armenian deputy foreign minister Ruben Shugarian, and other high-ranking officials accompanied Khatami.

Please do tell me that you protested Israel's slander of Khatami (on behalf of Turkey) when he visited the United States, you did that right? Please tell me that you've done something to return the kindness Iranians have shown Armenians.



3. While Israel puts up statues of Kemal Attaturk (which requires Israeli-government approval) and sells Armenia's mortal enemies arms to kill Armenians during a time of war; Iran has put up dozens of memorials to the Armenian Genocide (which also requires Iranian-government approval). The first memorial of any type to the Armenian Genocide, was in Isfahan Iran. Iran has dozens of memorials to the Armenian Genocide (and nobody had to be "bribed" or "lobbied" as in other countries) - Why don't you explain to me how such memorials were allowed by the government to be put up without their official approval? Give all the details.



4. You want to be honest about America's and Israel's history regarding the AG? Start from when they first knew and explain their behavior up to the present day.

[Mukuch]

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Please get banned again.

Will I get banned or not.... you will continue to be a MORON as well as many others on this forum. Just a moron can be an anti-Semite.... grow up kids...it iss shame this forum become a pro-Russian, pro-Iranian even pro-Arab… it used to be an ARMENIAN forum….

[Persopolis]

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Will I get banned or not.... you will continue to be a MORON as well as many others on this forum. Just a moron can be an anti-Semite.... grow up kids...it iss shame this forum become a pro-Russian, pro-Iranian even pro-Arab… it used to be an ARMENIAN forum….

[Mukuch]

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Yes EVERYONE who questiones Holocost is anti-semiete as EVERYONE who questiones Armenian Genocide is anti-Armenian

[Persopolis]

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Yes EVERYONE who questiones Holocost is anti-semiete as EVERYONE who questiones Armenian Genocide is anti-Armenian

"Long before the 'cultural revolution' of Communist China, and starting before the Bolshevik xxxs of Russia destroyed Christianity and Christians in the Slavic World, the Doenmeh (the Secret xxxs of Turkey), and especially Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk), tried very hard to strip Turkey of its religion and of its culture. It is vital to World xxxry to prevent the Muslims of Turkey from taking back their nation and their faith, and aligning themselves with their Muslim neighbors." By Christopher Jon Bjerknes

"Four large U.S. xxxish groups have lent support to Turkey’s position in opposing the passage of two resolutions pending in Congress that call for official recognition of World War I-era killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide. B’nai B’rith International, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the American xxxish Committee and the xxxish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) have recently conveyed a letter from Turkish xxxs who oppose the resolution to U.S. congressional leaders, officials from the groups told the Turkish Daily News." Source: Turkish Daily News, April 26, 2007

Mazel Tov.