Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

[londontsi]

Re: Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

As for Armenian support of the Kurdish cause only reason you'd find such support is because the Kurds and Turks are killing each other and weakening each other.
This might sound brutal and hopefully less and less civilians die but it is better for us if the conflict goes on as long as it can so both sides exhaust themselves.

Aysinkn shune shunin mise togh oude.

[Federate]

Re: Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

Aysinkn shune shunin mise togh oude.

Այօ, թող բզկտելով ուտեն։

[ara87]

Re: Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

They should of just given the Kurds northern Iraq, or better yet, Turkey, Iran, and Syria should of just encouraged the 20 million Kurds between them to move to Iraq and then Iraq could of been Kurdistan.

The thing is, just b/c a lot of Kurds live somewhere, doesn't make it "Kurdish Land" if a million Kurds move to Georgia, or Lebanon, they'd claim it as part of ancient Kurdistan too

[Persopolis]

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I as an Iranian respect Kurdish land rights, if they want a small part of Iran back to create a Kurdish state, I would respect that.

I completely disagree - if they are citizens within a state, they are just that and should be happy being citizens. Most nations wouldn't even give citizenship rights to historically nomadic people. They had poor historical leadership - their contemporary leadership is just as bad. The U.S. & Israel will use them as pawns and then abandon them - it's their own stupidity. Iran has existed for thousands of years within its own footprint - nobody is giving any part of Iran away to Kurdish goat herders without blood being spilled. This is reality.

[Persopolis]

Re: Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

The Kurds aren't necessarily indigenous to any region since they were a nomadic tribe. They can keep packing up and moving.

Agreed.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

Iran has existed for thousands of years within it's own footprint - nobody is giving any part of it away without blood being spilled. This is reality.

The border between Iran and the Ottoman empire was only decided upon in 1914. And almost before the ink had dried on the maps......

[gegev]

Re: Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

No need to cry about land claims until it is liberated; lets support those who are ready to fight to liberate it; don’t hamper their efforts.

The land appropriation talks will take place later on; afterwards! Calm down please.

[Mos]

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This thread just shows that Azar is anti-Armenian - probably an Azeri agent.

[Mukuch]

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WHAT A MORONIC THREAD !!!! )))))

Azar would you be OK if some one stick a .... in your arss?

[Persopolis]

Re: Would you be okay with giving away southern Armenia?

The border between Iran and the Ottoman empire was only decided upon in 1914. And almost before the ink had dried on the maps......

It may be true that borders have been adjusted - but the parts being referred to as "Kurdistan" were always within the heartland of Iran since antiquity. Show me where Kurdistan was on the map at any point in history? Goat droppings and vivid imaginations don't demarcate a border or prove the existence of a treaty. There are also 3 primary groups of Kurds (everyone always refers to them as "The Kurds" as if that has any meaning). The Shia Kurds living in Iran dislike the Sunni Kurds and are loyal Iranian citizens. A Sunni Kurd (from Turkey) will let you f*** his wife if you say Kurdistan exists from Russia to the Persian Gulf.

Any time you have a group of disparate nomadic people that go from country to country without ever having had any form of established government (regardless of how primitive it might be), there is little to base territorial rights on except as to whatever piece of land they happen to be standing on at any given moment. At present, the Sunni Kurds claim Western Armenia as Kurdistan - good luck with that because they don't acknowledge things like historical maps. The Sunni Kurds are a very rural people lacking serious education - and they spend a lot their time engaged in smuggling controlled substances. The Shia-Kurds, on the other hand, consider themselves Iranians and many are doctors and engineers. Their languages are not even mutually intelligible. The idea that these two groups would somehow merge, or want to merge, is far-fetched.

The U.S. and Israel will use the Sunni Kurds and abandon them. That's the sad reality; and part of the history they already have. (During the Iraq/Iran war - Iran actually protected them from being gassed by U.S. weapons.) The Sunni-Kurds are highly unpredictable - they're the ones the Young Turks manipulated into killing Armenians.

Also if anyone cares to look at a map, they will see that Iran basically has two big Kurdish cities on its Western border - one of which are the Shia-Kurds who are just regular Iranians. Those cities have a heavy chain of mountains demarcating the border (The Zagros Mtns). Disparate Kurdish groups wouldn't be able to make a Kurdistan there even if they had a modern army: What are they going to do: Hike over the mountains each time they want to go to the office? It's just silly, and leads to gullible nomads being manipulated by foreign powers and ultimately handled by the Iranian military.