Current Condition of Armenia

[Haykakan]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

Well you are right about one thing and that is that you do not have answers. All you have is wet dreams based on everything but reality. In reality Brazil and especialy Argentina suffered horribly under capitalism and unpresidented inflation untill they switched to the mixed socialist/market system They have slowed down a bit because of the world wide recession but who has not? You say they have resources that Armenia does not and that is correct but u fail to understand that they had the same resources while under capitalism and thats when they failed - its not like they gained any new resources that they did not have before. I never advocated going back to communism - thats just you again puting words into my mouth but hey thats is who you are and i am getting used to it. You gave up on getting our historic lands back from Turky yet you have no issue with getting lands which do not belong to us from the Georgians? Even if we got the lands in southern Georgia which are inhabited by armenians we would still not be on the shore of any sea or ocean so we would have to take much more lands from the Georgians and how exactly would you justify that? Despite the issues Georgia has with Russia they have allowed fairly free transport of normal goods through to and from Armenia and you want to attack them. Someone who does not have the Answers, as you said yourself you have not, you have no business advocating a war. War is fought out of neccessity or because the risk is minimal and the reward is great and the war you are suggesting is neither. With infastructure we can improve economic conditions within our country and between our country and our neighbors (the ones that do wana deal with us) and we can do this without any wars. Our trade with Iran is growing and has huge potential so lets develop that and build within our country. Yes armenians in armenia are new to politics but they are not new to business and they will find ways to prosper if given the tools to do it with. I have serious doubts about your intellect becaus non of the ideas you write about are your own yet your telling me to think outside the box and that is just funny. Why dont you tell Armenian or whatever his name was to come and make his own arguments instead of sending you to do a mans job. I had as much say in coming to USA as you had about being born so dont give me your bullxxxx. Frankly i would rather live in Canada then the USA anyways because it also is a mixture of socialist and market economy so is the USA but the USA is completely dominated by special interest groups. Instead of leaving the USA i am trying to make a difference by educating people about what is wrong with their country and what needs to be changed. I do not think you understand what a welfair state is either. Pretty much every developed nation is a welfair state including USA, Canada and every country in Europe and there is nothing wrong with the government looking out for its own people. If Russia starts a war then sure we should explore our options about how to best benefit from such a situation but we cannot afford another war like the kharabagh war on two or three fronts. We simply do not have the manpower nor the resources for it. The Armenian army is built to defend not attack thus we would be at a disadvantage far greater then the one faced by the usual attacking side. We also need way more soldiers to wage a offensive war and must be prepaired to take great number of casualties which we can't. We have a hard time defending the border we have now with azeris constantly attacking civilians on our side. Large chunks of farmland are not used because we caanot guerantee the security these farmers need within our own borders. We are lucky to have Russia and Iran on our side and we have to fully develope economic and political ties with them and other countries while improving infastructure in Armenia. We do not need another war.

[Armanen]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

Well you are right about one thing and that is that you do not have answers. All you have is wet dreams based on everything but reality. In reality Brazil and especialy Argentina suffered horribly under capitalism and unpresidented inflation untill they switched to the mixed socialist/market system They have slowed down a bit because of the world wide recession but who has not? You say they have resources that Armenia does not and that is correct but u fail to understand that they had the same resources while under capitalism and thats when they failed - its not like they gained any new resources that they did not have before.

The Brazilians did horribly under a dictatorship, which was not capitalist outright. The Argentines had two left wing governments and also did not do well. As for new resources, Brazil found huge tracts of natural gas and oil off its coast 2 years ago. And 15 years ago they imported oil and gas, now they are an ethanol powerhouse. Singapore is a better model for Armenia than either Argentina or Brazil. And they are doing quite well economically. Their only worry is whether to balance or bandwagon against China. Simpletons such as yourself read a headline or two and then think you got the answers.

I never advocated going back to communism - thats just you again puting words into my mouth but hey thats is who you are and i am getting used to it.

Do not back track from your words. You were hailing the greatness of Soviet Armenia. I pointed out its authoritarian streak and you continued to glorify it. You can deny being a communist, but your ideas and values are closely associated with communism. Though I should point out that communists considered homosexuality a crime as well as psycho-sexual disorder.

You gave up on getting our historic lands back from Turky yet you have no issue with getting lands which do not belong to us from the Georgians?

Again, the only one puting words in anyone's mouth is you! I never gave up on any lands. I just realize that we have higher chances of getting lands in the north and east. But geopolitics goes over your head, no surprise there.

Even if we got the lands in southern Georgia which are inhabited by armenians we would still not be on the shore of any sea or ocean so we would have to take much more lands from the Georgians and how exactly would you justify that?

How do victors in war justify their spoils? Go read a history book or two. I'm not here to teach you elementary things.

Despite the issues Georgia has with Russia they have allowed fairly free transport of normal goods through to and from Armenia and you want to attack them. Someone who does not have the Answers, as you said yourself you have not, you have no business advocating a war. War is fought out of neccessity or because the risk is minimal and the reward is great and the war you are suggesting is neither.

Georgia is anti-Armenian to the core. Should Russia's hold ever weaken over the Caucasus, Georgia will quickly align itself with turkey and serve as a bridgehead into the Caucasus. Armenia would soon become a plaything of turkish, azeri and georgian interests. The Georgians make a lot of money from the blockade of Armenia, but they stand to make even more by continuing to align with the turks. So yes, the war being taken to the Georgians should the oppurtunity present itself is one that carries great rewards for Armenia. You are too ignorant or too blind to realize this. You have no business advocating anything for Armenia because all your views are the opposite of those which Armenians hold. You are anti-religion, anti-traditionalism, anti-family unit, anti-nationalist, and a self described socialist/communist!

With infastructure we can improve economic conditions within our country and between our country and our neighbors (the ones that do wana deal with us) and we can do this without any wars. Our trade with Iran is growing and has huge potential so lets develop that and build within our country. Yes armenians in armenia are new to politics but they are not new to business and they will find ways to prosper if given the tools to do it with.

If you spend less time reading the Communist Manifesto, you would see that Armenia is building its road system (North-South corridor), and that it is increasing ties with our only trustworthy neighbor, Iran. Yet Iran presents a problem. Armenia can not get too close for fear of Western sanctions, and Iran has high tariffs which prevent Armenians from setting up shop there or conducting free trade. Armenia has offered to lower or eliminate its tariffs for Iranian goods several times, in return for Iran doing the same. Iran so far has not agreed. But again, you only read the headlines or fantasize about the world. Actual analytics escapes you.

I have serious doubts about your intellect becaus non of the ideas you write about are your own yet your telling me to think outside the box and that is just funny. Why dont you tell Armenian or whatever his name was to come and make his own arguments instead of sending you to do a mans job. I had as much say in coming to USA as you had about being born so dont give me your bullxxxx. Frankly i would rather live in Canada then the USA anyways because it also is a mixture of socialist and market economy so is the USA but the USA is completely dominated by special interest groups. Instead of leaving the USA i am trying to make a difference by educating people about what is wrong with their country and what needs to be changed. I do not think you understand what a welfair state is either. Pretty much every developed nation is a welfair state including USA, Canada and every country in Europe and there is nothing wrong with the government looking out for its own people.

It doesn't matter what doubts you do or do not have. You have shown yourself to be a mental midget, and a non-entity. Sad part is that you are not aware of who's ideas you spew out. Do you believe they are your own? I calmly point out to you the theoretical underpinning of what you are advocating, and instead of discussing that you claim I am parroting Armenian's views. Sorry, that I happen to agree with the guy on many things. You and bell the cat share a number of views, does that mean that he should be here debating me?

Then go live in Canada or China or wherever else. Your views will not get you far in Armenia. Other than hanging out with the homos at the burnt down bar, you will not find much company. The US has issues no doubt, but it is still a better place to live than Canada. It may not be for much longer if special interests continue to have their way, and if the dumbing down of society continues. Either way, stay in the diaspora. We do not need you or your ilk to procreate in Armenia.

Never mentioned welfare as a bad thing in and of itself. But having a welfare state that provides too much encourages the population to become lazy, and dependent on the dole. It goes back to the old saying of teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish. That is the idea I was getting at.

If Russia starts a war then sure we should explore our options about how to best benefit from such a situation but we cannot afford another war like the kharabagh war on two or three fronts. We simply do not have the manpower nor the resources for it. The Armenian army is built to defend not attack thus we would be at a disadvantage far greater then the one faced by the usual attacking side. We also need way more soldiers to wage a offensive war and must be prepaired to take great number of casualties which we can't. We have a hard time defending the border we have now with azeris constantly attacking civilians on our side. Large chunks of farmland are not used because we caanot guerantee the security these farmers need within our own borders. We are lucky to have Russia and Iran on our side and we have to fully develope economic and political ties with them and other countries while improving infastructure in Armenia. We do not need another war.

You don't know the Armenian military well if you think it is a purely defensive force. It has offensive capabilities that surpass those of the Georgians and Azeris. Your defeatist attitude will not get Armenia far. With Russian backing Armenia would link up with Russia via azerbaijan. The exact how when where would be up to military planners in Yerevan. The grand strategy of Armenia though ought to be to expand. In it's current borders Armenia will not become powerful - in any sense of the word.

As for the farmland, it is not large chunks. I know it is hard for you, but don't talk out of your @ss. And the difficulty lies in the fact that Azeri snipers sit on hill tops across the border and take shots. They are well covered. So the best way to kill them is to shell their position or bomb it from the sky. Either one may very well lead to a rapid escalation of tensions and a new outbreak of war.

[Haykakan]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

Dude you are hillerious like you will bring up any catch phrase to put me down - like what the hell does homosexuality have to do with this discussion? By simply pointing out an obvious fact that living conditions in soviet Armenia were better then they have been since - you brand me a communist. I am sure the people runing Armenia are way smarter then you and are not planing any campaign for conquest which they cannot do anyways. I have read some of the stuff Armenian writes in his blog and you never add anything of your own to any discussion - you simply rewrite what he wrote in one of his many posts. Your discussions are all reduced to calling me a liberal, or a commy and now a somehow homosexuality is introduced. As for our military u need to only know that we do not have a effective airforce (which is for offence) but we do have a good anti air missle defence system (which is for defence). Our enemy has a airforce and without providing cover for a our attacking army they will destroy us in the open. Now run along to Armenian and look for more ideas or maybe you can use your own creativity and call me a new name you havent used yet.

[Armanen]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

Dude you are hillerious like you will bring up any catch phrase to put me down - like what the hell does homosexuality have to do with this discussion? By simply pointing out an obvious fact that living conditions in soviet Armenia were better then they have been since - you brand me a communist. I am sure the people runing Armenia are way smarter then you and are not planing any campaign for conquest which they cannot do anyways. I have read some of the stuff Armenian writes in his blog and you never add anything of your own to any discussion - you simply rewrite what he wrote in one of his many posts. Your discussions are all reduced to calling me a liberal, or a commy and now a somehow homosexuality is introduced. As for our military u need to only know that we do not have a effective airforce (which is for offence) but we do have a good anti air missle defence system (which is for defence). Our enemy has a airforce and without providing cover for a our attacking army they will destroy us in the open. Now run along to Armenian and look for more ideas or maybe you can use your own creativity and call me a new name you havent used yet.

The put downs start from you. You dish it out then can't handle it when it is thrown back at you. Notice how you are not able to clearly counter anything I say other than claiming I borrow my ideas or taking a fact or two from some article you read.

I brand you a communist because based on what you type here, your world view is a communist one. Now you can deny it, but a rose by any other name...
Homosexuality was introduced to poke fun at you because I know it is one of your issues, that Armenians should be accepting of it, whereas even the CPSU realized what homosexuality was and certainly did not tolerate it.

The people in Armenia do not agree with your views, especially those running the show. So whether they are or are not smarter than I am, they at least are closer to me on issues than to you.

Don't give me pointers on the Armenian military. It is clear from what you type here that you are out of touch. I'm in contact with enough army people both in Armenia and abroad to know what you say doesn't match reality.

The azeri airforce has not been tested, and would certainly be neutralized should Russia provide the aid. Which all goes back to what I was saying earlier, politically Armenia can not launch a new war without Russia's blessing, regardless if we have an air force or not. And an air force is not only for offensive purposes, it serves defensive ones as well, much like navies do.


I suppose you think Armenian is parroting this guy then?

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=39494&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=7&cHash=d70d6880aa167cd3b5968876f85cb021

In reality, the writing is on the wall, and some of us can read it and realize what Armenia ought to do to take advantage of the situation.

Go pole fishing or whatever bs you like to do and let intelligent people have geopolitical discussions.

[Haykakan]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

I dont label you anything you wouldnt label yourself. Just because i state the truth doesnt make me a communist, liberal nor gay. Your whole argument revolves around Russia neutralizing Azerbadjian and leaving us the spoils of war - whats this? is Armanen having another wet dream? You might wana change your sheets by now. If Russia wants a border with us it will take alll the lands for itself from the Georgians and azeris to make it so, why the hell would it give us these lands when it can have them instead? How are you going to convince Russia that giving us these lands is better then them taking it. Dude you keep giving us this plan u have but beyond the idea of taking land from others there is no plan at all. Hell if Russia takes all those lands from the Azeris and Georgians then what the hell is stoping them from taking ours? Oh but wait they are going to Neutralize the Azeri airforce and army while we go and take all the lands - is your bed wet yet?

[Haykakan]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

You previously mentioned how i am out of touch with people in Hayastan well Vrej posted this in a different thread - why dont u read it and see who is realy out of touch

http://www.armenianow.com/society/features/36567/armenia_azerbaijan_karabakh_ceasefire_tavush_province_border

[Mher]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

More people emigrate from Armenia in first 6 months of 2012 – newspaper


July 17, 2012 | 07:45

YEREVAN. – According to official numbers, around 56,000 airline passengers have left from but not returned to Armenia in the first six months of this year, Haykakan Zhamanak daily writes.

“The Armenian General Department of Civil Aviation publicized this data yesterday [Monday].

The number of airplane passengers who left but did not return is a bit more in the first six months of this year than last year’s data by approximately 800.

The number of those who came on an airplane in June is much closer, by close to 13 thousand, as compared with those who left.

The number of those who left in May was more than those who came by about 20 thousand,” Haykakan Zhamanak writes.

http://news.am/eng/news/113624.html

[TomServo]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Homeland, but not “Home”: Syrians finding it hard to settle in Karabakh
By GAYANE MKRTCHYAN
ArmeniaNow reporter

“Should Armenians live in their motherland?”

Many Syrian-Armenians facing the need to settle in Armenia permanently give vague responses to this difficult question, trying to decide whether to stay or to leave, and if leave, then for where?

“My grandfather is buried in Aleppo. In his will he asked to transfer his remnants to Armenia and bury here, but even we – living ones – come and find no place for us. If we bring our grandparents’ remains, what shall we do with them? In his will he was teaching us to love our motherland and settle here,” says Sepuh Keshishian, 58, who for the past month and a half has been staying at a guesthouse in Berdzor, Nagorno Karabakh, with his wife and two young children.

The Keshishian family is from Syria’s Kurdish Ras al-Ayn city, where they were one of only ten Armenian families, and had a house, animal-breeding farm, a café. They left all of it behind, and just like their ancestors, took the road of refuge, although this time to their motherland. Sepuh says in 2004 he visited Berdzor together with a few other Diaspora Armenians, it was then that he decided to go and settle there.

“I bought a house, a garage, but for different reasons the local authorities of that time took the house back from me, I even suffered financial damage. I have the garage in my property, and if they give us a house, I might stay and found a business,” he says. “It is hard to see our future here. The locals want to run away, be it Hayastantsi [Armenians of Armenia] or Karabakhtsi [Armenians of NKR], they sell their houses and escape to Russia.”

The rest: http://armenianow.com/society/47851/...h_resettlement

[HyeFighter2]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

okay f!uck out from armenia, its not your lands anymore, go back to muslims country,idiots

Homeland, but not “Home”: Syrians finding it hard to settle in Karabakh
By GAYANE MKRTCHYAN
ArmeniaNow reporter

“Should Armenians live in their motherland?”

Many Syrian-Armenians facing the need to settle in Armenia permanently give vague responses to this difficult question, trying to decide whether to stay or to leave, and if leave, then for where?

“My grandfather is buried in Aleppo. In his will he asked to transfer his remnants to Armenia and bury here, but even we – living ones – come and find no place for us. If we bring our grandparents’ remains, what shall we do with them? In his will he was teaching us to love our motherland and settle here,” says Sepuh Keshishian, 58, who for the past month and a half has been staying at a guesthouse in Berdzor, Nagorno Karabakh, with his wife and two young children.

The Keshishian family is from Syria’s Kurdish Ras al-Ayn city, where they were one of only ten Armenian families, and had a house, animal-breeding farm, a café. They left all of it behind, and just like their ancestors, took the road of refuge, although this time to their motherland. Sepuh says in 2004 he visited Berdzor together with a few other Diaspora Armenians, it was then that he decided to go and settle there.

“I bought a house, a garage, but for different reasons the local authorities of that time took the house back from me, I even suffered financial damage. I have the garage in my property, and if they give us a house, I might stay and found a business,” he says. “It is hard to see our future here. The locals want to run away, be it Hayastantsi [Armenians of Armenia] or Karabakhtsi [Armenians of NKR], they sell their houses and escape to Russia.”

The rest: http://armenianow.com/society/47851/...h_resettlement

[TomServo]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

okay f!uck out from armenia, its not your lands anymore, go back to muslims country,idiots

Isn't it sad that they (as well as "true Armenians" from Armenia and Karabagh) want to "phuck out from Armenia"? Except the Armenians from Armenia or Karabagh choose to go to Russia, where they get treated no better than Hrachya Harutyunyan.

Or maybe they can join you and other svartskalle in Stockholm?