Women and Society

[Mos]

The role of women in society is an ever important topic. Over time, especially in the recent decades, the Western view of women in society has changed rather radically. I know people here have differences on morals and such fundamental issues, but it still important to be discussed in the open. As in Armenia, this argument is also taking place slowly.

In the West the notion of feminism has taken over which has led to the characterisation of women who stay at home, bear children, take care of the house, and are modest in behaviour and dress is blatant "sexism". In essence, there has been a transformation in the liberal West that a woman must be equal to a man in the actions, behaviour of every day life - and that it is somehow offensive to suggest that women have an elemental place taking care of kids and staying at home, which is a biological trait for all females in the animal world.

This radical feminism has taken over most of Western Europe, and led to the decay of the family structure. It has led to promiscuity and sham marriages. Couples rarely have children and often change partners in short period of time. A man has no qualms in taking a woman that has been "used" by several men. Women often reject their family as part of a "rebellious" attitude. What has been created is an unhealthy moral environment that can easily destroy the fundamentals of a society. This is something we have to strive to avoid in Armenia. Because many of the youth, young woman look to Western Europe, such ideals can very easily infest naive and young minds into thinking that for every society this type of mindset is good.

I think what needs to be advocated is that women can still excel in society and obviously are free, but their place in the home is crucial for upholding the family centred society of ours. Women should be modest in both behaviour and dress, especially when they have a family. You sometimes see how some mothers with their baby's dress even in Yerevan and your jaw drops. "Chap u sahman qa" as they say in Armenian, in all we have to firmly reject the form of radical feminism that is enveloping much of the liberal West as it will surely destroy the Armenian conservative society. We just need to look at the animal world to see the inherent roles of males and females. Creating forcibly artificial roles and values is not natural.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Women and Society

Another "Mos, the Superior Armenian, will now tell you lesser Armenians exactly what is wrong with you, and why you need to do what I say or you are all doomed" thread.

[Mos]

Re: Women and Society

Another "Mos, the Superior Armenian, will now tell you lesser Armenians exactly what is wrong with you, and why you need to do what I say or you are all doomed" thread.

Bell stop trolling each thread. That's not what I'm doing - the thread as a deeper debate at its core - apparently you always miss that.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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You entirely miss the point of feminism. The goal was never promiscuity, in fact many feminists are against promiscuity, stripping and prostitution, as they would argue that it further objectifies women as sexual objects subservient to men.
The point of feminism is to provide women equal rights, equal opportunity and equal employment, this is not at all "destructive to society" nor the reason why marriages fail.

In the past there has been such acts of cheating, prostitution and so on well before feminism or the sexual revolution, it has simply just not been as well publicized.

Bottom line a woman thinks and feels, just as men do, therefore it is not the right of the government, nor men, to tell an individual what their rights are or aren't, particularly when those rights (or lack thereof) are based on having a vagina.

[bell-the-cat]

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The point of feminism is to provide women equal rights, equal opportunity and equal employment, this is not at all "destructive to society" nor the reason why marriages fail.

No it wasn't. Intelligence, democracy, education, a technologically-advanced society, and, to a lesser extent, excess wealth, provided equal rights, equal opportunity and equal employment. That, and the fact that the masses mostly do whatever they are told, and their supposed deeply-ingrained cultural habits are actually easily drilled out of them. (And equally illogical and unproductive beliefs can just as easily be drilled into them).

Feminism is more like a religion or a cult, what with its dogmas, and fanaticisms, and sacred texts, and its curtailment of individual freedoms, and its attempts at creating a parallel female-only society. Like all religions, it has an inflated sense of its own importance and seeks to make claims of influence that it never had. And it is a dated and all-but-dead 1970s fad, though some women make a living out of it and so wish to pretend it still has validity. Maybe in backward societies it still does have some uses, but for most of us it is as pointless as Mos's own dogmas and fanaticisms - which is why this thread should be ignored.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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That's quite debatable, there is rampant sexual objectification of women in many western countries.
In many "advanced" nations, women can still be paid less, and still legally be raped in a marriage, have discriminatory actions on subjects such as abortion.

Hell check the media! If crap like "The Pickup Artist" can been seen as good entertainment (which is based around a movement calling women "targets" that need to have their self-esteem xxxxed up just so they can be conned into sex), or people still are told to place more value on a woman's appearance as opposed to her intellect, is pretty much evidence of media prejudice.

The point of feminism is equality, whether the Suffregettes, or women campaigning for rights under marriage, many of the points you raise, were accomplished by feminists, many of the rights women have, was due to struggle.

Some assume that feminism is this "feminazi cult" due to the actions of a few feminists, this is logical fallacy.
Most feminists do not want men castrated, boys to wear dresses, etc. The majority just want a more just system.
They focus on one issue is all. Just like the black liberation movements focused on the plight of black people and Xicano organisations on plight of Mexican-Americans.

[retro]

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That's quite debatable, there is rampant sexual objectification of women in many western countries. In many "advanced" nations, women can still be paid less, and still legally be raped in a marriage, have discriminatory actions on subjects such as abortion.

In which "advanced" nations can women legally be raped in a marriage?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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In which "advanced" nations can women legally be raped in a marriage?

China, yeah yeah, it's not part of the West, but it still is counted as a technologically and economically advanced.
This is also found in India, but it's debatable whether they are counted as a advanced.

As to lower wages, that's quite often found still. And aside from that, the US, UK, etc. still do objectify women in the media to a large degree.

[KanadaHye]

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In which "advanced" nations can women legally be raped in a marriage?

Saudi Arabia?

As to lower wages, that's quite often found still. And aside from that, the US, UK, etc. still do objectify women in the media to a large degree.

Bull. The reason that's found is because men work longer hours. The hourly rates are even. On top of that, women who have degrees are higher paid because they are sought after by corporations. The media objectifies men and women. Sex sells and both genders are for sale.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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That's xxxxe rationale KH, so effectively, because men are objectified as well, it makes it okay for women to objectified? The point is women ARE still objectified, so are men, hence it is still within the scope of sexism. A lot of feminists (yes I will provide sources if people are going to nag) DO indeed look down on the way men are objectified as well.

And do you have a source for your men work longer hours? Is this in all jobs? How is this calculated?
What of women who work the same or more hours?