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  • #1

    2015

    I know the centennial of 1915 is still two years away but i wanted to start discussing it now instead of then. Many including our enemies are expecting some major developments in our region between now and then and it seems fitting that we should discuss these possible scenarios and the effect they will have on Armenia and the region. Feel free to post relevant news and other information here as well as your opinions.
    Hayastan or Bust.
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    Re: 2015

    A lot might happen in 2015. A lot might also not happen in 2015. I think Turkey is going to think long and hard about accepting the Genocide or not that year. In my opinion, they won't accept because they are who they are.
    Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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    "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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      Re: 2015

      It seems like there is some kind of accumulating effect taking place. Turky does not seem to belong in the west (eu) and its adventure vs Syria is not going that great either. Then of course you have the kurds. Iran, China and Russia are on the rise and they all are no friends of the turk. With so much going against it-perhaps our time to get what is rightfully ours will finely be at hand. The fact that the kurds are living on our lands now is another difficult issue which needs to be adressed. Interesting times are ahead and i hope they do not include a war.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • #4
        Re: 2015

        Well rather have Kurdistan as a neighbor than Turkey. Though I'm not too found of Kurds either. Bunch of backward, illiterate folks...for some of their houses they use the well built rocks and stones from the ancient Armenian churches lol. It's an insult to our culture just to have such people living in our ancient lands.

        Turkey still belongs to the West (NATO) it's just does it behind closed doors and with a facelift of being "pro-Muslim". One of Obama's closest friends is Erdogan.

        I think the power of the US is going to be declining and China/India rising. Can't say about Russia. It's having some problems also but this Eurasian Union might have some potential. I hope Armenia joins Eurasian Union. Right now, we are choosing between EU and Eurasian Union. This is the number 1 foreign policy issue in Armenia right now.
        Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
        ---
        "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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        • #5
          Re: 2015

          On the 50th anniversary of the genocide, Armenians in Yerevan demonstrated and got the genocide recognized by the Soviet Union. That was, of course, a period of relative stability and even prosperity for the country, and the young Dodi Gagos and Nemets Rubos were still good little Komsomol activists.

          But my question is whether any of you know about the Azerbaijan SSR's reaction to genocide recognition? Since independence, it has emerged as the second state to deny the genocide at a governmental level, perhaps even more vehemently (and often, preposterously) than Turkey. But when the genocide was recognized by the Soviet Union, there was still a sizable Armenian minority within Azerbaijan, especially in Baku. Did the Azerbaijanis begin denying the genocide when the Karabagh movement gained traction or were they opposed to recognition before? I do not wish to conflate the Armenian and Azerbaijani Tatar conflicts in the Caucasus with the genocide of the Ottoman Armenians here -- I am asking about the latter, not the former.

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            Re: 2015

            I dont know the answer to your question Tom but the azeris were much less significant back then thus nobody cared about what they did or thought.
            Hayastan or Bust.

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            • #7
              Re: 2015

              Originally posted by TomServo View Post
              On the 50th anniversary of the genocide, Armenians in Yerevan demonstrated and got the genocide recognized by the Soviet Union. That was, of course, a period of relative stability and even prosperity for the country, and the young Dodi Gagos and Nemets Rubos were still good little Komsomol activists.

              But my question is whether any of you know about the Azerbaijan SSR's reaction to genocide recognition? Since independence, it has emerged as the second state to deny the genocide at a governmental level, perhaps even more vehemently (and often, preposterously) than Turkey. But when the genocide was recognized by the Soviet Union, there was still a sizable Armenian minority within Azerbaijan, especially in Baku. Did the Azerbaijanis begin denying the genocide when the Karabagh movement gained traction or were they opposed to recognition before? I do not wish to conflate the Armenian and Azerbaijani Tatar conflicts in the Caucasus with the genocide of the Ottoman Armenians here -- I am asking about the latter, not the former.
              Although I don't know there (baboon) stance on the 1915 specific when they were "SSR" I can say with confidence --- they're turks --- enough said.

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                Re: 2015

                Originally posted by TomServo View Post
                On the 50th anniversary of the genocide, Armenians in Yerevan demonstrated and got the genocide recognized by the Soviet Union. That was, of course, a period of relative stability and even prosperity for the country, and the young Dodi Gagos and Nemets Rubos were still good little Komsomol activists.

                But my question is whether any of you know about the Azerbaijan SSR's reaction to genocide recognition? Since independence, it has emerged as the second state to deny the genocide at a governmental level, perhaps even more vehemently (and often, preposterously) than Turkey. But when the genocide was recognized by the Soviet Union, there was still a sizable Armenian minority within Azerbaijan, especially in Baku. Did the Azerbaijanis begin denying the genocide when the Karabagh movement gained traction or were they opposed to recognition before? I do not wish to conflate the Armenian and Azerbaijani Tatar conflicts in the Caucasus with the genocide of the Ottoman Armenians here -- I am asking about the latter, not the former.
                I think that before the 1960s it would have been all governed by Soviet ideology, which blamed everything on "imperialism". Any mentioned of Azeri involvement in the 1918-21 period of conflict in the Caucasus was hidden away in Soviet history books under the term "wars between neighbouring peoples" (and which was put down to their pre-Sovietised "backwardness" and the meddling of "imperialsts").

                Since Azerbaijan didn't need to have a state ideology you arep robably right that its genocide denial at state level didn't begin until the 1990s. Individual Azeris probably didn't have to have any opinion before then. It might be very similar to the way the population of Soviet East Germany never had to confront any issues dealing with WW1: to them, a completely different set of Germans were responsible for all of it, the ones living in west Germany.
                Last edited by bell-the-cat; 01-22-2013, 11:54 AM.
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                • #9
                  Re: 2015

                  That's an interesting comparison, bell.

                  Anyway, about the centennial... is anything important really being planned? I'm expecting more of the same from both Armenians and Turkey.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2015

                    I think it all depends on what the big powers wana do with Turky. If the USA wants to pressure the turk regarding one thing or another it will threaten to recognize the ag like it always does. If the powers want to carve up Turky they may recognize AG and use it along with the kurd issue to do so. Another possibility is a regional war involving the whole neighborhood and who knows what will come out of that. I do not want another war but the way things are going we may be in one by 2015-hope im wrong.
                    Originally posted by TomServo View Post
                    That's an interesting comparison, bell.

                    Anyway, about the centennial... is anything important really being planned? I'm expecting more of the same from both Armenians and Turkey.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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