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  • Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

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    The reason for starting this thread is to discuss where other have been and through the process become wiser,
    while we as a nation, oblivious of the realities, have taken ( or considering ) to take the brave decision to join by visualising a brighter future.

    I am of the view that fools will join any group simply because "others have joined, and therefore it must be good."

    This mentality provides them with an alibi to exclude them from doing any research and understanding on the matter.

    It also excludes them from the need to do any research and understanding as to how such a policy specifically effects their fatherland.

    The intelligent approach would be is to investigate, not how many people have joined the club but the reasons for the few who have refused to join the club.

    Additional useful feedback would come from those who regret having been forced to join the club.

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    Last edited by londontsi; 08-06-2013, 05:29 PM.
    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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    Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

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    http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/index_en.htm

    Member states of the EU
    (year of entry)
    Austria (1995)
    Belgium (1952)
    Bulgaria (2007)
    Croatia (2013)
    Cyprus (2004)
    Czech Republic (2004)
    Denmark (1973)
    Estonia (2004)
    Finland (1995)
    France (1952)
    Germany (1952)
    Greece (1981)
    Hungary (2004)
    Ireland (1973)
    Italy (1952)
    Latvia (2004)
    Lithuania (2004)
    Luxembourg (1952)
    Malta (2004)
    Netherlands (1952)
    Poland (2004)
    Portugal (1986)
    Romania (2007)
    Slovakia (2004)
    Slovenia (2004)
    Spain (1986)
    Sweden (1995)
    United Kingdom (1973)

    On the road to EU membership

    Candidate countries
    Iceland
    Montenegro
    Serbia
    The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
    Turkey

    Potential candidates
    Albania
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Kosovo*
    * This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSCR 1244/99 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo declaration of independence
    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

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      Armenia

      EU relations with Armenia are governed by the EU-Armenia Partnership and Cooperation Agreement (1999), which allows for wide-ranging cooperation in the areas of political dialogue, trade, investment, economy, lawmaking and culture.

      Armenia's inclusion (as one of the countries of the Southern Caucasus) in the European Neighbourhood Policy (2004) and the Eastern Partnership has demonstrated the EU's willingness to move its cooperation with the EU beyond the terms of the Partnership and Cooperation Agreement.

      Negotiations are underway to conclude an Association Agreement to deepen Armenia's political association and economic integration with the EU, including a deep and comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA).

      The recently-negotiated Visa Facilitation and Readmission Agreements will take effect as soon as all procedures are completed.

      For more details about EU-Armenia cooperation, see: ......

      http://eeas.europa.eu/armenia/index_en.htm
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • #4
        Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

        I thought Russia was OK with Armenia's prospect of junior membership with EU, no?

        I am not for a EU membership for Armenia (look at Greece)........however a small country like ours doesn't have much to give to EU but stands to gain alot, I guess
        as long as we don't have to implement all their demands which might be a precondition.
        B0zkurt Hunter

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        • #5
          Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

          Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post

          I am not for a EU membership for Armenia (look at Greece)........
          You are being overgenerous with your caution

          After joining, within 20 years , some less than that....


          Member states of the EU
          (year of entry)
          Austria (1995)
          Belgium (1952)
          Bulgaria (2007)
          Croatia (2013)
          Cyprus (2004) Bankrupt
          Czech Republic (2004)
          Denmark (1973)
          Estonia (2004)
          Finland (1995)
          France (1952)
          Germany (1952)
          Greece (1981) Bankrupt
          Hungary (2004)
          Ireland (1973) Bankrupt
          Italy (1952) Bankrupt
          Latvia (2004)
          Lithuania (2004)
          Luxembourg (1952)
          Malta (2004)
          Netherlands (1952)
          Poland (2004)
          Portugal (1986) Bankrupt
          Romania (2007)
          Slovakia (2004)
          Slovenia (2004)
          Spain (1986) Bankrupt
          Sweden (1995)
          United Kingdom (1973)
          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          • #6
            Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

            I remember while talking with some old friend in Cyprus, not many years ago, he declared proudly “we are Europeans now” !!!!!!

            If the country had joined the African Union would they have become Africans?

            If the country had joined the the Islamic Union (OIC) would they have become Muslim.

            If an individual joins a some scientific Institute would he become a scientist?



            But what does really the country being bankrupt means .

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            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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            • #7
              Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

              Originally posted by londontsi View Post

              But what does really the country being bankrupt means .
              The EU sends in the dreaded Troika to basically run the Country.

              This is done by instructing the (local) government to action on issues of taxation, introducing new taxation,
              cutting pensions and social security payments, clipping of salaries, number of employees in the civil service etc. etc.

              The most contentious of all is their power to dip into peoples savings, and helping themselves in order to help close the debt plug.
              In the case of Cyprus all accounts with more than 100K were subject to euphemistically called haircut of 40%.

              If you notice there is no apportionment of blame as to who was responsible for the bankruptcy.
              That will be left to historians to decide.

              No mention of laws targeting oligarchs, the punishment is across the board.
              As usual the poor and the underprivileged pain and suffering will be the most.


              Who is the Troika:- It is the “organization” comprised of

              European Commission (EC),
              The International Monetary Fund (IMF), and
              The European Central Bank (ECB).
              http://gogreece.about.com/od/Glossar...The-Troika.htm
              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • #8
                Re: Armenia�s uncharted path into Europe

                Originally posted by londontsi View Post

                But what does really the country being bankrupt means .
                Historically it appears that the EU has also the power of removing and appointing Prime Ministers.

                This was the case for Greece and Italy.


                If we extrapolate this scenario for Armenia it would mean removal of the President and replaced by somebody of their choice.
                In fact a puppet President.

                The reason for this is the Armenian President has executive powers, unlike Greece and Italy's Presidents who are titular, non executive Presidents.

                Considering that Armenia has huge political issues to solve beyond its economical its problems, how would a puppet President act while addressing our national issues while under the control of the EU.

                One of the small but growing number of critics of the EU ......

                I am not trying to promote political parties or personalities but the arguments presented.



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                Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                • #9
                  Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

                  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23707274

                  Romanians and Bulgarians working in UK up 26%

                  The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK rose by a quarter in three months, new figures have shown.

                  The Office for National Statistics said 141,000 were employed from April to June compared with 112,000 in the previous three months, up nearly 26%.

                  Temporary restrictions on the type of jobs people from the two countries can do are due to expire later this year.

                  This has led immigration campaigners to claim that there will be an even bigger increase next year.............






                  The interesting point here is not how many people are entering the United Kingdom but how many people Romania and Bulgaria are loosing.

                  As usual the loss to the country will be the ones who are ambitious and with drive to succeed.

                  The trend of Romanian and Bulgarians started past 2-3 years.

                  Another example is the polish immigrants. Their immigration trend started 5-6 years ago.
                  Now they number over 1 million.

                  Again my point is not the number living in the UK but how many left their country .

                  These numbers only refer to the UK . If you consider rest of Europe the scale of their loss is staggering.

                  Just consider the impact for Armenia once the borders open more than what they are.
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #10
                    Re: Armenia’s uncharted path into Europe

                    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                    Another example is the polish immigrants. Their immigration trend started 5-6 years ago.
                    Now they number over 1 million.
                    Polish immigrants tend to be migrants and most of them return home after a few years. The has much larger non-EU immigration problems.
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yAkDde2DPc

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