Is it more Armenian then Turkish?

[TurKOnE]

Lol.. :d

[Siamanto]

HOWEVER! ... Don't you think that, considering the migration of the tukish tribes into our lands starting back in 1190 ad, and our people living there WAY! i mean WAAAY! before that, and they still do, that maybe what some poeple say is turkish, is actually armenian with a twist?
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i would have to say that considering our history of occupying that land forever, and then having otar poeple migrate there, makes me think that maybe they took Armenian things, and called them turkish, and THEN! they were so much stronger then us, that they killed off half the population, here and there, and now that we have finally come this far, they are not only telling us that we committed genocide against them, but that all the traditions they have are turkish origin? i dont think so, they came and killed armenians took their food, their music, their culture and put their little twist on it and called it turkish?

According to Gilles Deleuze barbarian nations - such as the *urks - assimilate the Culture - or at least elements of it - of the lands they have invaded and cultures they dominate. In fact, some of the reasons are:
1- A barbarian invading nation - such as the *urks - has an developed military philosophy but an undeveloped culture
2- A barbarian invading nation - such as the *urks - is mainly composed of male warriors
3-
So in order to build a stable nation they had to assimilate
1- Missing elements from the dominated Cultures
2- Assimilate elements of the dominated population
3-...
Of course, it does not mean that the underdeveloped *urks have borrowed from the Armenians; it could have been also from Persians, Greeks, Arabs, Assyrians etc.
The best example to consider is the *urkish vocabulary; it is mainly composed of foreign words. That should indicate how underdeveloped was their conceptual universe.

In any case, considering that Jurks are still - morally and intellectually - underdeveloped, I would say that they did not borrow enough from the autochtons!

Last, but not last, there's always the "dialectics of Master and Slave!"

I think that we have a lot in common with Persians, but not turks (as a cultural characteristic, as a matter of fact i think we have more in common with arabs then turks, at least arab people are nice)...

That confirms that:
"In any case, considering that Jurks are still - morally and intellectually - underdeveloped, I would say that they did not borrow enough from the autochtons! "

i hope that one day we can know the truth, but the more i read about how and when and what happened between the armenians and the turks, the more i am inclined to think that they stole everything from us, and now they say its all turkish...

Lately, the insurance/financial sector coined a new buzzword: "Identity Theft." I believe it perfectly fits the *urkish Nation. Not only they have invaded the Greek and Armenian Lands, looted the treasures of the Byzantine, Hellenistic and Armenian Civilizations and massacred the Native Armenian and Greek Populations; they are, now, willing to steal their IDENTITY. In fact, let's simply consider how they are portraying themselves in the West and how elements of the native Greek, Armenian, Assyrian and Byzantine Civilizations are presented as "*urkish."

When THIEVES and riffraff infest a neighborhood and kill its dwellers, only the uninformed would consider those THIEVES as the inheritors of the original dwellers who have built the neighborhood.
Of course, only a Nation of morally and intellectually inferior forms of life - such as the *urks - who can't tell the difference between "Cultural Artifacts" and Cultural Elements would make such claims!

Stop doing the ostrich, Mr. Jurkey!

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[Fedora©]

Go on

Do you think that you will put your ass somewhere and it will stay in there about 1000 years... Dont make me laugh... there was no reason to fight in this time but all nations were in war why? That was the poltic of this time...
Fight and Win !

And i can see that you have abilitity to look only one side of it...

if Turks comes here, what about the old place of them? if you oppose this crime why dont you support us in this incident who has fired us from old place?

[TUR-Friend]

Siamanto, you're the most pathetic Armenian I've ever seen in the last 22 years of my life. Your post doesn't make any sense. It lacks logic, facts, historical data... actually, you know what, it's full of schit and lies. I can easily say that you don't have a phucking clue about Turks, Turkish culture and history. A society that is composed of individuals like you is bound to be underdeveloped in all fields of civic and humanity, and is just doomed forever... just like Armenia.

[Siamanto]

Siamanto, you're the most pathetic Armenian I've ever seen in the last 22 years of my life. Your post doesn't make any sense. It lacks logic, facts, historical data... actually, you know what, it's full of schit and lies.

Jurk,
Our perception, understanding and reading of a text is limited to the how evolved is our intelligence and analytical skills and tools we have mastered. That's probably why a koylu would not comprehend what is superior to him! LOL!

I can easily say that you don't have a phucking clue about Turks, Turkish culture and history. A society that is composed of individuals like you is bound to be underdeveloped in all fields of civic and humanity, and is just doomed forever... just like Armenia.

You can easily say whatever pleases you, what would that prove? Central Asians are know to be shameless liars and sly.
Would you please "enlighten" us and "educate" us about *urks? Please show us the "marvels" of your "Civilization." I have ridiculed many of you in the past and I feel in a mood to ridicule a Jurk!


PS. I see that you started to insult: is that a sign that the mad dog *urk is showing its true face! LOL!

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[Crimson Glow]

I’m not going to join in on the debate of weather this or that came from Armenians, or not, because I feel we’ll never honestly know, but I had to throw in my $ .02 on the following….

Let's look at some numbers... Turkey's GDP = $508.7 billion, Armania's GDP = $13.65 billion. Also, despite Turkey's huge population (70M), an average Turkish citizen happens to have $7,400 USD in his pocket from our national GDP, while an Armanian citizen, (with only 3M in the country) happens to have only $4,600 USD.

And we got all the culture to make all that from you guys, eh?

Yes.....well......there are just a few monumental flaws with your comparisons....

For starters, you're comparing a fledgling, barely a decade old state to a nation that's been around since 1923? That's hardly a fair comparison. There is a long, loooong way to go before you can start drawing direct comparisons. For example, Armenia's GPD growth last year was 9%, compared to Turkey's 8.2%. It will take some time (certainly more then a decade) for such growth to show some substantial impact on the overall state of the economy.

Secondly, what exactly do the current economic states of the nations have to do with weather your "historic" cultural aspects were barrowed/adopted from Armenians, or not? Last I checked, things of such nature that were ancestral to Armenians (or not) couldn't be defined by 2004 political/economical/educational facts.

Lastly, let's not get into some stupid, trivial facts and figures battle about which nation is more elite then the other. There are plenty for and against each nation. After all, in spite of how hard it is to fathom this is possible for such a "rich, powerful nation", there's one pretty important stat that is not in Turkey's favor:

Turkey
Literacy:
total population: 86.5%

Armenia
Literacy:
total population: 98.6%

Turkey also has a public debt of 74.3% of its GDP.

Also, I don't understand the point of raising the military issue. How does pointing out the Ottoman Empire's ability to kill people (and I'm talking long before the Armenians of Anatolia) prove culture? Brute killing ability is hardly an attribute to civilized society.

[TomServo]

You tell 'em.

[nunechka]

lol! thats toooooo funny thinknone - because i think the US clearly has chosen *ukry as its playground... thats why they have dispersed all over turkey taking control over so many places, and NOW they are even making *urks (so-called muslims) kill other muslims...

armenia has (luckly) no intersting thing for the US, and so they dont give a crap about little tiny armenia... BUT man-o-man do they just piss all over *ukry...

LOL!