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So... which countries are our "friends"?

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  • #71
    Originally posted by Murtaza
    Tom Servo janissaries comes from christian minorities, not from bosniaks albanians or pomaks.
    WRONG!!!

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    • #72
      Wrong? uh?

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Murtaza
        Wrong? uh?
        Albanians, Bosniaks...?

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        • #74
          Yes, They are mostly serbs, greeks ext. They are slave soldiers, and a muslim cannot be slave. Of course there were some christian albanian but they are minority.

          And If you look to balkanion nations, they killed and butchered not turks but each others too. That is the reason,why every race in balkain hate from other.
          Last edited by Murtaza; 08-05-2005, 12:03 AM.

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          • #75
            well, both of you are misinformed. Janisseries generally consist of Christian origins. That's true. But they were not slaves as literally. Actually most of the ruling elite of Ottoman Empire, most of the Pashas were coming from those people. They were the slaves of Sultan (who were not?) but they were the masters of public. A complicated issue. Some Christian families were wishing their son chosen as Jannisary and establish a new, brilliant life instead of being a villager.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by radar
              We call ourselves as Şkiptar, don't teach Albanianism to an Albanian with false information.
              It is hard to tell you the difference since you don't know Albanian.
              By the way, I've been to Albania, visit our village and saw the monument, and everybody were very polite and friendly at Albania if you say that you are from Turkey. Even the nationalists who say that Albanians religion is Albanianism loves Turks, don't worry about it.

              You are as Albanian as Al Pacino is Italian.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by Red Brigade
                You are as Albanian as Al Pacino is Italian.
                You are as Armenian as Agassi is Armenian.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by radar
                  You are as Armenian as Agassi is Armenian.
                  you're stupid.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by radar
                    well, both of you are misinformed. Janisseries generally consist of Christian origins. That's true. But they were not slaves as literally. Actually most of the ruling elite of Ottoman Empire, most of the Pashas were coming from those people. They were the slaves of Sultan (who were not?) but they were the masters of public. A complicated issue. Some Christian families were wishing their son chosen as Jannisary and establish a new, brilliant life instead of being a villager.
                    Stealing the first born son of Christian families is probably the most important reason why Turks are still hated in Balkan countries. You can call it whatever you like according to your (Turkish) value system.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by Murtaza
                      nakharar he is with his brothers, what is your problem? The girl I am loving is also half albanian. They are other race to, but they are our brothers, and fight with us. For identity problem, Inside of Turkey, there are turks albanians even pomaks(muslim bulgar). Outside of turkey, There are just Turks.
                      You have just confirmed that Turkey is a failure as a nation-state if that's how you people feel. No wonder the Ottomans failed. I don't see a future for your country with your lack of national cohesion.

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