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  • Armenians + Azeris + Russia = <3

    Institute for War & Peace Reporting
    Aug 4 2005

    AZERIS AND ARMENIANS BEST OF FRIENDS IN MOSCOW

    National conflict is forgotten in a city where both Armenians and
    Azerbaijanis feel like strangers.

    By Samira Ahmedbeily and Elina Arzumanian in Moscow

    "Your nationality doesn't matter in Moscow," said Agif Abdullaev, a
    33-year-old Azerbaijani. "What matters is whether you are a local or
    a visitor. Migrants here share one overriding concern: how to survive
    in this giant city."

    Agif, an economics graduate, spent three years looking in vain for a
    job at home, so he decided to move to Moscow and join the army of
    market traders from the Caucasus. In 1998, he met and went into
    business with Levon Arayan, an Armenian, at the Kuzminki market.

    Although the two nations have been in conflict with one another over
    the disputed territory of Nagorny Karabakh since 1988, Armenians and
    Azerbaijanis in Moscow say they get along well with one another - and
    often find they have much in common as Caucasians in the Russian
    capital.

    "I offered him my goods, and we did a deal and started doing business
    together," recalled Levon. "National hatred between our people is no
    obstacle to business. We hardly ever talk about politics or Karabakh.
    The whole thing was orchestrated by those in power. Regular people
    like us have always been good neighbours."

    Levon joked, "What's the use of that land [Karabakh] to Armenia
    anyway? I think we should donate it to Azerbaijan in exchange for an
    oilfield."

    "Levon is the only person I know who will always help me out in
    emergency," said Agif. "Once I had to scrape together 4,000 dollars.
    He gave me the money, no questions asked. We really trust each other.
    It's hard to find someone you can trust in this day and age."

    His business partner chimed in, "I've borrowed large sums from Agif,
    too. Our joint business has been very successful. We have recently
    started a new project at the Tekstilshchiki market."

    The two men visit each other's homes frequently - but only in Moscow.
    Because of the unresolved Karabakh conflict, Agif cannot invite Levon
    to Baku, while Levon thinks it would be too dangerous for Agif to
    show up in his native Gyumri in Armenia. "I rarely go back there
    myself," said Levon. "It's not fit for living in. I only go to see my
    family there once a year, for three or four days." Agif said he
    travels to Baku quite often, but never tells his Azerbaijani family
    about doing business with an Armenian.

    If the 2002 census results are to be believed, there are 96,000
    Azerbaijanis and 124,000 Armenians in Moscow, each group accounting
    for about one per cent of the city's population. However, most
    observers think this is a gross underestimate.

    Muscovites were never especially friendly to visitors from the
    Caucasus, even in Soviet times. Now they are lumped together under
    the pejorative tag of "persons of Caucasian nationality". The
    conflict in Chechnya has worsened Russians' attitude towards people
    from the region, and harassment and race attacks on southerners have
    become commonplace.

    This shared experience of xenophobia has brought Armenians and
    Azerbaijanis closer together. But in many cases the partnership is of
    longer standing, stemming from a shared background in the Azerbaijani
    capital, Baku, which once had a large Armenian population of 200,000.
    All but a handful of them left Baku between 1988 and 1990.

    Edik Mirzoyan and Yashar Huseinov, an Armenian and Azerbaijani
    respectively, run a flower stall at the entrance to the University
    metro station. The two are childhood friends from Baku and have been
    in business together for six years. Yashar trusts his partner more
    than anyone else in the world. "Our business is quite recent, but
    Edik and I go way back," he said. "We're childhood friends. That kind
    of bond is stronger than money. We don't care what goes on in and
    around Karabakh," he said.

    "All my family are in Armenia, except my wife," said Edik. "When she
    gave birth, only Yashar's wife Nargiz was here to help her. I will
    never forget that." The Armenian added, "It's a pity that for
    religious reasons I cannot ask Yashar to be my son's godfather, even
    though he is the closest friend I have in Moscow."

    Artur Shakhramanian and Zemfira Salimova are husband and wife as well
    as business partners. They got married in Baku 20 years ago, but
    three years later, when their daughter had just turned one,
    hostilities broke out between Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Baku.

    "My husband is a native of Baku. I come from Ganje," recalled
    Zemfira, who is Azerbaijani. "We both went to the Pedagogical
    Institute in Baku. We married during our graduation year. Then all
    hell broke loose. My husband's family fled to Armenia and wanted
    Artur to come along. My family insisted I get a divorce. We defied
    them all and moved to Moscow."

    Artur, Zemfira and their daughter - now 18 - all work at an upmarket
    restaurant owned by an Azerbaijani. Zemfira tends the bar, Artur is
    the gardener and their daughter manages the office.

    "It was tough until the mid-Nineties, but since then we've been back
    in touch with our families," said Artur. "We call, and they visit us
    from both Armenia and Azerbaijan. I've been working here for about
    six years, and I've never had any problem because of my ethnic
    background. I am a good gardener, and that's all that my boss cares
    about."

    Caucasians have traditionally specialised in certain trades in Moscow
    - commonly working as market traders and ticket inspectors.

    Vardan and Melikabbas, an Armenian and Azerbaijani, used to work in a
    market but now have jobs as inspectors on tram route 28.

    "Being a ticket inspector is a good job for people like us from the
    Caucasus," admitted Vardan. "Many of the people we catch without a
    ticket are our fellow countrymen. For a small fee, we let them go.
    For them it's better than paying a fine, and it's good for us too.
    That way we supplement our meagre salaries."

    And - as if to confirm the prejudices of some Muscovites - the two
    nationalities team up in the criminal world as well.

    In June, the police arrested an Armenian and an Azerbaijani for armed
    robbery in Moscow's Shchukinsky district. According to police
    reports, Alexei Aserian and Hasan Aliev spotted a man in a gambling
    hall who had a huge wad of cash in his wallet. The temptation was too
    strong to resist - when he left, they followed him and mugged him in
    a dark street.

    A week later, they were detained at the same gaming venue.
    Investigators say this was not the first robbery they had committed,
    and are holding them in custody pending trial.

    Samira Ahmedbeily is a journalist with Azerros newspaper in Moscow.
    Elina Arzumanian is a reporter for Mir TV and radio company

  • #2
    There's nothing wrong with Azeris or Azerbaijan... if they let go of Artsakh!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dave
      There's nothing wrong with Azeris or Azerbaijan... if they let go of Artsakh!
      And Nakichevan!!
      I dare ask, "If the enemy is numerous, disciplined, and about to advance, how should we respond to them? I would say, first seize something they love for then they will listen to you...attack what they love first."
      -Sun Tzu

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      • #4
        From what I saw in Russia the day before this article was written, its true that Azeries and Armenians dont show hate towards each other. They are too busy being on the defense for being Kavkaztsi in Moscow. Not to mention there dont seem to be that many compared to the Russians. After everything thats happened, Kavkaztsi still have a little brotherly love left outside of Kavkaz.

        (Personal Story: ) At the Red Square there is a park type thing with a line of benches outside of the wall, and I was standing near a bench talking to someone when I over heard the people on the bench talking... A girl about my age was clearly telling a story about some guy, and said that he said, "Im a Moskvich (person from Moskow)" and she answered "Yeah, climbed down from the mountains and now a Moskvich" (mocking him) .... At this point I could tell that she was talking about a guy from Kavkaz so...I calmly turned around and looked her right in the eyes. She stared without a word until I turned back like the embarrassed idiot that she was. (I enjoyed that)

        As far as I am concerned, there are good and bad people everywhere - Kavkaztsi will always be Kavkaztsi.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dave
          There's nothing wrong with Azeris or Azerbaijan... if they let go of Artsakh!
          There will be nothing wrong with them if they get "re-educated" by the Iranians and drop all their turkish xxxx.

          (Personal Story: ) At the Red Square there is a park type thing with a line of benches outside of the wall, and I was standing near a bench talking to someone when I over heard the people on the bench talking... A girl about my age was clearly telling a story about some guy, and said that he said, "Im a Moskvich (person from Moskow)" and she answered "Yeah, climbed down from the mountains and now a Moskvich" (mocking him) .... At this point I could tell that she was talking about a guy from Kavkaz so...I calmly turned around and looked her right in the eyes. She stared without a word until I turned back like the embarrassed idiot that she was. (I enjoyed that)

          As far as I am concerned, there are good and bad people everywhere - Kavkaztsi will always be Kavkaztsi.
          My two best childhood friends were both Russian.
          The thing is that the collapse of the USSR brought about almost a 3rd world atmosphere, so everyone flocked to the capital as is usual in such circumstances. There were plenty of Armenians and Georgians especially living in Moscow before the latest influx, but the difference was that they all spoke Russian fluently and there really was no cultural collide -- there is now and this breeds resentment. Azeris and Chechens especially are really hated in Russia. Armeanians and Georgians are often resented because they tend to be of the opportunist types who excell in business. There is also the negative connotation of 'Caucasians'.

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          • #6
            ALL of my childhood friends were Russian. lol

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            • #7
              I have no problem with them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ArmenianKid
                I have no problem with them.
                Nothing is wrong with them, except for the fact that they would join "Let's genocide the Armenians" bandwagon in a second.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ArmenianKid
                  I have no problem with them.
                  Welcome back.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TomServo
                    Welcome back.
                    thanks. Its been awhile i know.

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