Is baklava an Armenian desert?

[oyuncu]

Lets discuss something different than why Turks are barbaric murderer savages, how they butcher English language, how their brains are full of propoganda of their government, why EU will never admit them to the union, how Armenians are European and white, how ASALA is a group of people from freedom warriors, etc.
For example nowadays Greeks appealed to Europan Parliement to proclaim that baklava is a Greek desert and Turkish coffee is originally a Greek coffee.
What do you think about it? I suspect that baklava and what we call as Turkisah coffee is originally Armenian.

[crusader1492]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

This debate has been raging since the dawn of man. Armenians call this dessert Paklava - Greeks Baklava. Most people would associate this dessert with the Greeks b/c thay are more representative throughout the world (plus they are accomplished resurantuers). Anyway that does not prove that they invented Paklava.
I suppose this question requires more historical research. However, I know one thing: Turks can lay no claim on this dessert since they were late comers to Anatolia. Also, we call "Turkish coffe" - "Armenian coffee".
It's all good.

[Sip]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

Turkish/Armenian coffee is left over from caveman days. Back then, they used to call it "mud" because that's exactly what it looks and tastes like.

[D3ADSY]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

Oyuncu has quite a fitting username.

[crusader1492]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

Turkish/Armenian coffee is left over from caveman days. Back then, they used to call it "mud" because that's exactly what it looks and tastes like.

Than I guess that Armenian's can claim this "mud" as their own. Mongolians were still in Mongolia during caveman days.

[Londoner]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

i think you dear sirs are tasting mud pretty often

Turkish/Armenian coffee is left over from caveman days. Back then, they used to call it "mud" because that's exactly what it looks and tastes like.

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Than I guess that Armenian's can claim this "mud" as their own. Mongolians were still in Mongolia during caveman days.

[crusader1492]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

i think you dear sirs are tasting mud pretty often

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I had some today. It was great!

[Londoner]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

http://www.killerplants.com/whats-in...e/20021220.asp

It seems as if the turks where 15 centuries late in order to be able to claim this "invention": (and who is to say that the first coffee shop wasn't in fact owned by a Greek, Armenian or J-e-w eh?)...there were certainly more of the former living in Constantinople during this time then there were turks living there. Note - coffee bean first brought to Americas by Jesuits in 16th century...

Ethiopians make the claim (but seem to attribute it to a much youger date...)

http://www.selamta.net/Ethiopian%20Coffee.htm

On Yemeni origin: (hundreds of years - at least - before arrival of Turks into the vicinity...)

http://www.yobserver.com/cgi-bin/yob...iew.cgi/1/7732

Coffee history legends and myths:

http://groups.msn.com/FoodiesCorner/coffeeorigins.msnw

An interesting history (that discusses turkish role in trade):

http://www.faseolo.com/01Origins.htm

And of course for balance:

http://www.theturkishtimes.com/archi...5/c_kahve.html

http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6454/coffee.html

[TomServo]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

I'm surprised you didn't trace its origins to the Kurds!

[Sip]

Re: Is baklava an Armenian desert?

I prefer my mud 100x diluted with water and at 10x the cost. Modern day humans call it American Coffee .