Happy Birthday Hayastan!

[Armenian]

Ur el linem kez chem moranum, tsnundt shnorhavor ankakh Hayastan.

[TomServo]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

Bring Ter-Petrossian back.

[karoaper]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

Apres. Yes el chem morana u misht kmnam karotov li minchev mianam het@.

Happy birthday to Hayastan and her citizenfolk who through sheer determination, blood, sweat and tears managed to make the best of those dark times (literally) in the few years after independence. One thing for sure, Armenians showed in those times that survival and the drive to excel in all things during any circumstance is firmly a part of their national character. Much also needs to be said about our Diaspora that came together to help nurse young Armenia out of the worst times.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

And F*** Levon Ter Petrosyan...

[Fedayeen]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

Apres. Yes el chem morana u misht kmnam karotov li minchev mianam het@.

Happy birthday to Hayastan and her citizenfolk who through sheer determination, blood, sweat and tears managed to make the best of those dark times (literally) in the few years after independence. One thing for sure, Armenians showed in those times that survival and the drive to excel in all things during any circumstance is firmly a part of their national character. Much also needs to be said about our Diaspora that came together to help nurse young Armenia out of the worst times.

Well said.

We have come a long way...today on Armenian TV they were showing documentary...from the begging of 1900th to 1993...good stuff.

I remember in 1991-1993...dark years...literally...no water, no electricity..war was going on, cold winter, people barely surviving and in 1993 they cought my father on the street and took him to the front lines...although it might look that its good today, but the reality is, its not...

I talked to some of my friends there today, they dropped the price of dollar, if before they could survive on $200, now even $400 is not enough...and few of my friends just came from there....they say its horrible

When Vazgen was alive, and was slowly coming to the power, we were slowly seeing changes being made...and next thing you know...his dead

As much as i want to think postive and say its going for good...but truth is, its not...it may look good from general perspective...but thats where it ends.

[TomServo]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

Yeah. I still remember when they stormed the parliament and killed Demirchyan back in 1999 I think it was. I was in middle school and was at my aunt's house and saw it on Good Morning America. Scary.

[ARK]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

Well said.

We have come a long way...today on Armenian TV they were showing documentary...from the begging of 1900th to 1993...good stuff.

I remember in 1991-1993...dark years...literally...no water, no electricity..war was going on, cold winter, people barely surviving and in 1993 they cought my father on the street and took him to the front lines...although it might look that its good today, but the reality is, its not...

I talked to some of my friends there today, they dropped the price of dollar, if before they could survive on $200, now even $400 is not enough...and few of my friends just came from there....they say its horrible

When Vazgen was alive, and was slowly coming to the power, we were slowly seeing changes being made...and next thing you know...his dead

As much as i want to think postive and say its going for good...but truth is, its not...it may look good from general perspective...but thats where it ends.

Don’t be so pessimistic! We have been challenged more than any other nation in the world especially in recent years. (Earthquake, war, independence) however we have overcome a lot of difficulties, we got back our Artsakh from the hands of Ter-Petrossian and azeris and turks.
The constant rise of Dram’s value could be a good sign of the economical progress, though Armenians of Diaspora might complain. My relatives visit there frequently (starting from 1990’s till now), they are just stunned by the progress the country has made recently. We don’t expect to be a new “Switzerland” in the region, cos we are just 15 and have a long way to go.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

I remember in 1991-1993...dark years...literally...no water, no electricity..war was going on, cold winter, people barely surviving and in 1993 they cought my father on the street and took him to the front lines...although it might look that its good today, but the reality is, its not...

In reality, our Republic is 'much' better than it was fifteen years ago, ten years ago, five years ago, a year ago, however, we still do have a very loooooong way to go before we meet western standards.

I talked to some of my friends there today, they dropped the price of dollar, if before they could survive on $200, now even $400 is not enough...and few of my friends just came from there....they say its horrible

They dropped the dollar value because of the turist season and because the US dollar in reality is getting weaker and weaker.

When Vazgen was alive, and was slowly coming to the power, we were slowly seeing changes being made...and next thing you know...his dead

I suggest you stop listening to people who don't understand politics. Nothing today would have been different had Vazgen been alive, as a matter of fact, it could have been worst. Vazgen was a very bad politician and he was hated by many within the nation. The BS about him stopping corruption was an absurd fairytale, he was one of the most corrupt individuals in the nation. He screwed up a lot in Artsakh as well. I know a few azatamartiks who would have killed him with their bare hands had they been given the chance. Vazgen meant well, he did some good, but he was a hetamnats geghatsi. He essentially appealed to the low 'uneducated' class within the Armenian Republic.

Besides, if the rumors that 'he was warming up to the US State Department and thus Russia wanted to get rid of him' was true, then it was good that he is out of the picture today.

Garen Demirjian was another one of the Soviet era's worthless fat-cats. It was during his watch that the Azeri population grew and prospered in Armenia as Armenian regions such as Zangezur suffered. It was during his watch that the Corrupt/uneducated/Rabiz sub-culture within Armenia became very prominent. And it was him that tried very hard to stop Armenians from fighting for Artsakh.

These are two individuals that won't be missed much within Armenian politics.

As much as i want to think postive and say its going for good...but truth is, its not...it may look good from general perspective...but thats where it ends.

When observed within a proper 'balanced' perspective, Armenia today is on the right track.

Armenia has secured its borders by having a strong armed forces and close geostrategic relations with Russia and Iran. Armenia is also getting closer to the EU and China. The Armenian economy is slowly but gradually growing year-by-year. There is a new generation in Armenia now that is realizing that they need to work to make a living instead of expecting hand-outs from the government and/or the Diaspora. Yerevan is fast growing and prospering, perhaps too fast. And most importantly, Armenia is politically and socially stable - unlike all other nation in the region.

What Armenia has been able to accomplished under such dire conditions, within such a bad region, is nothing short of a miracle.

The reality is that Armenia today is better-off many most other former Soviet nations who don't even have a fraction of Armenia's problems. And as harsh as it sounds, the aforementioned 'general' perspective of our nation is what counts in the real world, not the opinions of the unemployed uneducated poor.

Unfortunately, Armenia's destiny is not totally in her hands. Due to Armenia's geographic position, her prosperity is dependent upon the region's superpower politcs.

[karoaper]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

I thought it was common knowledge that Vazgen got rid of corruption and mafia and made his family and friends the new mafia and at the helm of the corruption. It was quite simply one family getting rid of other families. Yes he helped some poor folk, same as a gangster helps the poor folk in his neighborhood, but he's still a gangster and racketeer and a murderer. In this life the only ones who get assassinated are either the real xxxxxxxs who make enemies with other xxxxxxxs or the Jesuses and Gandis of the world. He was no Jesus that's for sure.

[Fedayeen]

Re: Happy Birthday Hayastan!

To many many people he was 'jesus' and when 3 thugs just walk into the parlament and kill 2 key player...what are the people gonna think?

Armenian, as i said, in general perspective its good...
one question, have ever livied there?

and please don't make Robert look like his the man...i am still amazed his alive..