The genocide of france

[karoaper]

Re: The genocide of france

Orhan Pamuk, a Turk and a famous one at that, had a lawsuit brought against him and had to temporarily leave the country for something as innocuous as "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it." You think regular Armenians in Turkey can freely discuss and forum the factuality of the genocide or to openly air their grievances against the brutal perpetrators? This is not serious.

[RSNATION]

Re: The genocide of france

Orhan Pamuk, a Turk and a famous one at that, had a lawsuit brought against him and had to temporarily leave the country for something as innocuous as "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it." You think regular Armenians in Turkey can freely discuss and forum the factuality of the genocide or to openly air their grievances against the brutal perpetrators? This is not serious.

Pamuk and Shafak were acquited but I wonder what would happen to someone who was not famous.

[karoaper]

Re: The genocide of france

Pamuk and Shafak were acquited but I wonder what would happen to someone who was not famous.

Exactly, and for Pamuk the "charge of 'insulting Turkishness' remained".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4566972.stm

[Selpak]

Re: The genocide of france

Pamuk and Shafak didn't get any punisment. We hope Pamuk will get Nobel Prize.

[karoaper]

Re: The genocide of france

I didn't catch that the entire charges were dropped as well in . My fault. But the point is not whether he recieved any punishment or not. The point is a famous Turk novelist had a case against him that lasted half a year for saying "nothing". The point is he felt compelled to leave the country. The point is the country is paranoid about the truth and the point is my people don't have the freedom to openly discuss their open wound in Turkey. I only wonder why they still stay there.

[rosehip_38]

Re: The genocide of france

Pamuk and Shafak didn't get any punisment. We hope Pamuk will get Nobel Prize.

He got the prize today... Everybody happy and proud in Turkey now

[Selpak]

Re: The genocide of france

I didn't catch that the entire charges were dropped as well in . My fault. But the point is not whether he recieved any punishment or not. The point is a famous Turk novelist had a case against him that lasted half a year for saying "nothing". The point is he felt compelled to leave the country. The point is the country is paranoid about the truth and the point is my people don't have the freedom to openly discuss their open wound in Turkey. I only wonder why they still stay there.

And you think everybody claped it. Laws are laws. It is for everybody. Devlet Bahçeli (leader of MHP) can be judged by same law. It depends on you and your lawyer. Reality is a Turkish novelist got the prize today. The flash in the pan will ended soon, prize will remain and...

Everybody happy and proud in Turkey now

Not everybody but most of the them are happy and proud in Turkey.

[RSNATION]

Re: The genocide of Armenians by Turks

It is ironic that Turkey is using the "freedom of speech" argument in fighting against the French proposal. What makes me "pro-law" is the sinister work of the Turkish Republic to kill the bill not because it limits freedom of speech, but because it goes against the official Turkish line that "the Armenian genocide is an international lie." So we have now denialist propaganda vs. limitation of freedom of speech of denialist propaganda.

Comparing to Holocaust denial again, another interesting observation can be made. There is no official denial of the Holocaust, but there is official denial of the Armenian Genocide. So I guess the French law can be seen as prohibiting official Turkish propaganda in that country as opposed to banning freedom of speech.