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  • Selpak
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    part III

    I believe in not to declare the subject as closed, instead we should

    promote the necessary research that eventually you will make it possible

    to arrive a more conclusive knowledge at a consensus of informed opinion

    that will facilitate reconciliation between Armenians and Turks.



    No one, it should be stressed, disputes the extent of Armenian suffering

    at the hands of the Ottoman Turks during the World War I. With little or

    no notice, the Ottoman government forced Armenian men, women, and children

    to leave their historic communities; during the subsequent harrowing trek

    over mountains and through deserts, large numbers of them died of

    starvation and disease, or were murdered. Although the absence of good

    statistics on the size of the pre-war Armenian population in Turkey makes

    it impossible to establish the true extent of the loss of life, reliable

    estimates put the number of deaths at more than 650,000, or around 40

    percent of a total Armenian population of 1.75 million.

    The historical question at issue is specific intent-that is, whether the

    Turkish regime intentionally organized the annihilation of its Armenian

    minority, and thus guilty of genocide. According to the Genocide

    Convention of 1948, intent to destroy a group is a necessary condition of

    genocide; most other definitions of this crime of crimes similarly insist

    upon the centrality of malicious intent. Hence the crucial problem to be

    addressed is not the huge loss of life in and of itself but rather whether

    the Young Turk government deliberately sought the deaths that we know to

    have occurred.

    Historical background:



    The Armenians have lived in the southern Caucasus, between the Black Sea

    and the Caspian Sea, since ancient times. In the early 4th century of the

    CE, they were the first nation to adopt Christianity as a state religion.

    Much of their long history, however, has been spent under foreign rule.

    The last independent Armenian state (before the present-day, post-Soviet

    Republic of Armenia) fell in 1375, and by the early 16th century most

    Armenians were subjects of the Ottoman Empire. Under the millet system

    instituted by Sultan Mohammed II (1451-1481), they enjoyed religious,

    cultural, and social autonomy and they were known as the "loyal

    community," a status that lasted well into the 19th century.

    Though large numbers of Armenians settled in Constantinople and in other

    Ottoman towns, where they prospered as merchants, bankers, and artisans,

    the majority continued to live as peasants in eastern Anatolia. During

    the autocratic rule of Abdul Hamid II (1876-1909), the lot of the

    Armenians deteriorated, and nationalistic sentiment began to emerge. In

    June 1890, Armenian students in the Russian-controlled area of the

    Caucasus organized the Armenian Revolutionary Federation. Demanding the

    political and economic emancipation of Turkish Armenia, the Dashnaks (as

    they were known) waged guerrilla warfare against Turkish army units,

    gendarmerie posts, and Kurdish villages involved in attacks on Armenians.

    They operated from bases in the Caucasus and Persia and took advantage of

    eastern Anatolia's mountainous terrain.

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  • Selpak
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    part II
    Next month the US House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on a

    non-binding resolution declaring the treatment of Ottoman Armenians during

    World War I a case of genocide. If passed, the US will join the

    considerable number of countries that have declared these events to

    constitute genocide and a crime against humanity. Below a chamber of the

    French parliament and Switzerland took the case further and made it

    illegal to deny the Armenian Genocide.



    There are many Armenian people who are for this kind of legislation. They

    feel that just it is illegitimate to question the historical fact of the

    Holocaust, Hitler's attempt to destroy the xxxs of Europe, it is equally

    imperative to recognize and to denounce the Armenian genocide.



    I have several problems with this position. First I believe that

    Parliaments should legislate on what is in their competence and

    jurisdiction and not try to decide contested historical questions, and

    contested this question certainly is.



    The xxxish Holocaust is denied only by pseudo historians such as David

    Irwin. In the case of Armenians on the other hand some of the most

    prominent students of Ottoman history such as Bernard Lewis and Andrew

    Mango doubt the appropriateness of the genocide label for the tragic

    events of 1915. Second, unlike the case of the Holocaust, most of which

    is described in the thousands of captured German documents that formed the

    main evidence in the Nuremberg trials; an analogy of many key occurrences

    in Ottoman Turkey during World War I is also inadequate and incomplete.

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  • Selpak
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    I haven't heard son of poet's name before. I found this on web:

    part I

    Guenter Lewy's speech at the Malkin Penthouse, fourth floor Littauer

    Building, Harvard University, at 3 PM, on March 13, 2007.



    Professor Lewy's speech is based on his book: Guenter Lewy, THE ARMENIAN

    MASSACRES IN OTTOMAN TURKEY: A disputed Genocide, University of Utah

    Press, 2005, ISBN: 0874808499.



    (About one or two percent of the following may not match the exact words

    spoken by Professor Lewy.)



    Armenians call the calamitous events of 1915-1916 in the Ottoman Empire

    the first genocide of the twentieth century. Most Turks refer to this

    episode as war time relocation made necessary by the treasonous conduct of

    Armenian minority. The debate on what actually happened has been going on

    for almost 100 years and shows no signs of resolution. The highly charged

    historical dispute burdens relations between Turkey and Armenia and

    increases tensions in the volatile region. It also pops up frequently in

    the other parts of the world when members of the Armenian Diaspora push

    for the recognition of the Armenian genocide by the respective

    parliaments, and the Turkish government threatens retaliation.

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