Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

[Amberd]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

I don't know you but with great respect to you I want to notice a thing from our past from our bloodly history. If you remember at the beganing of last century turks killed and torured millions Armenians by kurd's hand and the whole world watched it like an attraction. And what do you talk now. Unit.... With whose? why? in order to be murdered again? unforuantely even now after 3000 years hirtory and experiance we couldn't understand that we and only we must protect us or fight for us. Forget about any unit forever!!!!!!
War for Gharabagh is a perfect example.....

[crusader1492]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

I don't know you but with great respect to you I want to notice a thing from our past from our bloodly history. If you remember at the beganing of last century turks killed and torured millions Armenians by kurd's hand and the whole world watched it like an attraction. And what do you talk now. Unit.... With whose? why? in order to be murdered again? unforuantely even now after 3000 years hirtory and experiance we couldn't understand that we and only we must protect us or fight for us. Forget about any unit forever!!!!!!
War for Gharabagh is a perfect example.....

Well said... Armenians should tread very lightly when it comes to relations with the Kurds. They still abuse the Assyrian Christian minority in Iraq and during the war for Artsakh, they fled to the Azeri side even when Armenians (Monte Melkonian) asked for them to unite.

They still have a lot to prove to Armenians before they can be trusted in any degree. Do you really believe that a Kurdish state will stand by their word concerning "agreed upon" borders? If they could, they would stab Armenia in the back at their earliest convienience just as they did in 1915.
Hell, have you ever seen the "greater Kurdistan map"? They even claim what little is left of Armenia NOW.

[Alexzan]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

Well said... Armenians should tread very lightly when it comes to relations with the Kurds. They still abuse the Assyrian Christian minority in Iraq and during the war for Artsakh, they fled to the Azeri side even when Armenians (Monte Melkonian) asked for them to unite.

They still have a lot to prove to Armenians before they can be trusted in any degree. Do you really believe that a Kurdish state will stand by their word concerning "agreed upon" borders? If they could, they would stab Armenia in the back at their earliest convienience just as they did in 1915.
Hell, have you ever seen the "greater Kurdistan map"? They even claim what little is left of Armenia NOW.

Kurds claim everything as Kurdistan.
Wouldnt Armenia have Iran as an ally.
They have more soldiers than the US
And I think that whole crap about US having the best army is overrated.
And you can't forget Armenia has the best Generals =D
I think we should take out Azerbaijan first though ; )

[Digger]

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I think Armenians and Kurds forming an alliance is an excellent idea. As far as 70,000 Armenians in Turkey, does anyone know if this is true? I was under the impression that there were no Armenians in Turkey.

[Merv]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

Uniting with Muslims, ANY Muslims, is impossible. They are simply untrustworthy. A further complication is that Kurds and Armenians lived in essentially overlapping territories, so conflict over territory would be bound to happen.

Unfortunately, the only potential allies of Armenia in an Anatolian stage of war were and have been the Orthodox Christian states, and what we're talking about here is essentially Russia and Greece. Georgia has poor relations with Armenians, and Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ukraine have too weak relations and geographical distance.

But all this talk is absurd. Armenians will never get back "Turkish" Armenia - to do so would require another genocide - this time of Turks - or at least a very brutal expulsion. Just taking the land and ruling over a bunch of angry and unruly Turks would be far worse than not taking it at all.

The best Armenians can hope for in restoring their historic land is, if a war erupts, siezing a small slice of Turkey to take Ararat and get access to the Black Sea, and negotiating a population exchange so Artsakh becomes continuous with Armenia and Nakhichevan with Azerbaijan. That would be a "success" in my book.

[Azad]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

What do you Armenians think of unity with kurds?

Unity????

I don't have to be nice or a Hypocrite how I feel about kurds. We have NOTHING in common and they have everything in common with turks.
I do not want to sound like a crying bag repeating the horror stories how my Grandfather lost all of his family to useless "nomads".

"TUNCELI, Turkey (Reuters) - Kurdish separatist rebels said on Friday they were crossing back into Turkey to target politicians and police after Ankara said it was preparing to attack them in the mountains of northern Iraq."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/wl_nm/turkey_iraq_dc

The only unity I see with Kurds is watching you and the turks bang each other to eternity on my TV screen. And no I am not at peace neither with Kurds or turks. I only hope one day we would be able to live in peace.
For now it is sweet revenge.

[Azad]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

More than 30000 Armenian killed by Kurds on the way of emigration in 1915.

So that makes it ..... 1.500.000 - 30.000 = 1.470.000 killed by turks.

[Merv]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

More than 30000 Armenian killed by Kurds on the way of emigration in 1915.

The fact that some greedy illiterate nomads or mountain-people were easily manipulated into pillaging, raping, and murdering their wealthier Christian neighbors is far less shameful to their descendants, than is the sophisticated educated Turks of Constantinople (oops, Istanbul) engineering an extermination of the original peoples of Anatolia to their respective descendants. As a country that once aspired to be the inheritor of Roum (yeah right!) and of the Islamic Caliphate (yeah right!), it's a lot more embarassing that your state engineered three genocides in the 20th century alone, than it is that some primitive "Mountain Turks" helped you out in your nefarious crimes.

[Armenian]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

You are new and I don't want to sound mean, but you are sounding like an idiot. I suggest you thoroughly think about the topic at hand and our stance towards it before you continue.

i am shocked - i might pretend that i had not read this thread but i guess i can not. this is the stupidest idea i have ever heard of. because:...

[melikianAvak]

Re: Unity of Armenians and Kurds...

Uniting with Muslims, ANY Muslims, is impossible. They are simply untrustworthy. A further complication is that Kurds and Armenians lived in essentially overlapping territories, so conflict over territory would be bound to happen.

Unfortunately, the only potential allies of Armenia in an Anatolian stage of war were and have been the Orthodox Christian states, and what we're talking about here is essentially Russia and Greece. Georgia has poor relations with Armenians, and Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ukraine have too weak relations and geographical distance.

But all this talk is absurd. Armenians will never get back "Turkish" Armenia - to do so would require another genocide - this time of Turks - or at least a very brutal expulsion. Just taking the land and ruling over a bunch of angry and unruly Turks would be far worse than not taking it at all.

The best Armenians can hope for in restoring their historic land is, if a war erupts, siezing a small slice of Turkey to take Ararat and get access to the Black Sea, and negotiating a population exchange so Artsakh becomes continuous with Armenia and Nakhichevan with Azerbaijan. That would be a "success" in my book.

I have a different book.