Armenia's Tourism is booming.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

The Armenians in CIS and Russia visit Armenia far more often then lets say American Armenians and they send lots of money to support family.friends, relatives.. sure there are good reasons for this like CIS is way closer then America.. The diasporans do not deal with the same issues that the Armenians in Armenia have to contend with thus comparing the locals who have to make a living in harsh conditions to diasporans who just visit is not the same thing. I do believe you are the condescending one because you want to absolve diasporans of their failings while blaming the locals for things that are out of their control. The diasporan has a choice in how he/she decides to spend his/her time and money but the locals do not have much money and do not have many choices either. Perhaps the way you look at things are typical but your perceptions and analagies are off Mr Servo. Hayrenaser people are needed during bad times - anyone can be hayrenaser during good times.

[TomServo]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

Why the hell should diasporans be expected to go to Armenia when that country's own citizens can't wait to get the hell out?

Hayrenaser, indeed!

Haykakan, maybe your comment would have been met with a less vitriolic (if apt, IMO) response if you had bothered to criticize the largest segment of the diaspora -- those based in Russia and the CIS. Even they prefer visiting other countries over the hayrenik. But no, you chose to take potshots at the "typical diasporans." Please spare us the condescension and lecturing.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

It appears that we agree on the general idea but we disagree on its pervasiveness " but they are an overblown out of proportion minority.. ".Yes i am finely seeing some positive signs with some diasporans sending their kids to Armenia but the people i described are hardly "an overblown out of proportion minority". I would say they are the norm not the minority. Either way a positive sign is better then nothing and i hope sending young people to Armenia is the beginning of a long term trend which is exactly what we need.

On the grand scale of things the majority of Armenians currently living outside Armenia don't go to Armenia, this is true. But this is not a unique thing reserved for Armenians that visit the Middle East. As in it's unfair to only target them just because they go to the Middle East. My initial point was their motivation for going there. What is an overblown out of proportion is people who consider the Middle East their homes and go visit there for this purpose. This is a common generalisation/misconception based on minority cases. I think visits to Armenia are becoming the trend and it's a positive sign towards the ultimate goal of repatriation. Steps like multiple visits especially at a young age set the groundwork for this.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

I'm glad to see you don't have a problem with them going to the Middle East most of the time. And I already agreed that it's bad to not visit Armenia even once despite being able to travel multiple times to other countries, I have a problem with this too. Just know that it's not because of some loyalty to the Middle East or because they treat those countries as their homelands because that's the general assumption with these kinds of arguments. Those kind of people might exist, just like how some treat America as their homelands after one generation, but they are an overblown and used as a brush to paint everybody else. Please don't generalise an entire group of people, it's insulting to the many who actually do make the trip to Armenia. Just this summer for example: http://www.armenianweekly.com/2013/0...enetmen-games/ Anybody who's been to the Middle East knows that you're really not on vacation when you go there anyway. It's a hassle, full of stress

This forum was set up for everyone to whine about authority. The entire forum is an exercise where the authority purposely creates unjust rulings so that "the users" revolt and overthrow their oppressive rulers.

It appears that we agree on the general idea but we disagree on its pervasiveness " but they are an overblown out of proportion minority.. ".Yes i am finely seeing some positive signs with some diasporans sending their kids to Armenia but the people i described are hardly "an overblown out of proportion minority". I would say they are the norm not the minority. Either way a positive sign is better then nothing and i hope sending young people to Armenia is the beginning of a long term trend which is exactly what we need.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

Yeh Fed i can see the appeal of visiting friends and family and not paying for lodging and food..I have no problem with them going to those countries over Armenia most of the time..but i do have a problem with them never ever setting foot in Armenia but Vacationing in those countries dozens of times. These are the same people who do nothing but complain about Hayastan without ever setting foot there. And yeh i have a problem with such people calling themselves hairenaser for if you can travel to those areas dozens of times and you truely are hairenaser then you would have found it within your heart and your wallet to at least set foot in Armenia.
As for Tom here well he is just another example of how forum rules only apply to some members and not the others..he can make unprovoked insults like this "Haykakan, please choke on your own vomit" knowing full well that he won't even get reprimanded meanwhile my very valid argument "needs to die already". I did not want to give up hope for this forum and my participation here has been the proof of that but crraapp like this just makes me wonder what this forum was set up to do in the first place?

I'm glad to see you don't have a problem with them going to the Middle East most of the time. And I already agreed that it's bad to not visit Armenia even once despite being able to travel multiple times to other countries, I have a problem with this too. Just know that it's not because of some loyalty to the Middle East or because they treat those countries as their homelands because that's the general assumption with these kinds of arguments. Those kind of people might exist, just like how some treat America as their homelands after one generation, but they are an overblown and used as a brush to paint everybody else. Please don't generalise an entire group of people, it's insulting to the many who actually do make the trip to Armenia. Just this summer for example: http://www.armenianweekly.com/2013/0...enetmen-games/ Anybody who's been to the Middle East knows that you're really not on vacation when you go there anyway. It's a hassle, full of stress

This forum was set up for everyone to whine about authority. The entire forum is an exercise where the authority purposely creates unjust rulings so that "the users" revolt and overthrow their oppressive rulers.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

Yeh Fed i can see the appeal of visiting friends and family and not paying for lodging and food..I have no problem with them going to those countries over Armenia most of the time..but i do have a problem with them never ever setting foot in Armenia but Vacationing in those countries dozens of times. These are the same people who do nothing but complain about Hayastan without ever setting foot there. And yeh i have a problem with such people calling themselves hairenaser for if you can travel to those areas dozens of times and you truely are hairenaser then you would have found it within your heart and your wallet to at least set foot in Armenia.
As for Tom here well he is just another example of how forum rules only apply to some members and not the others..he can make unprovoked insults like this "Haykakan, please choke on your own vomit" knowing full well that he won't even get reprimanded meanwhile my very valid argument "needs to die already". I did not want to give up hope for this forum and my participation here has been the proof of that but crraapp like this just makes me wonder what this forum was set up to do in the first place?

[TomServo]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

The ones you should be targeting are the ones who visit all the expensive European countries or Caribbean resorts over visits to Armenia.

Or "politicians" in Armenia who spend their time gambling at Monte Carlo.

Haykakan, please choke on your own vomit. Thanks!

[Federate]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

Diasporans should have done and should be doing way more to support this industry but they prefer to travel to other locations like Lebannon, Cyprus, AbuDabi..A typical diasporan will travel to the middle east a dozen times but won't set foot in Armenia yet will not hesitate to label him/herself a hayrenaser..Makes me wanna vomit.

This argument needs to die already. You can't generalise that way, people visit their families in those countries. It just so happens that the West makes it very hard for them to get visas so it's more often people visiting them than other way around. I know Armenians from the West who visited Syria in 2012, you think they visited it because they want to be tourists there or maybe the fact that they might be seeing their relatives for the last time? Yes, there is something wrong with not visiting Armenia at all but just because they visit the Middle East over Armenia does not make them any less hayrenaser. Your assumption is that they treat those countries as their homelands and I agree with you when that is the case but more often than not, it isn't. With a family support system in the Middle East where you won't have to pay for simply sleeping there, you can see their appeal of visiting their relatives over Armenia.

The ones you should be targeting are the ones who visit all the expensive European countries or Caribbean resorts over visits to Armenia.

[hrai]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

there are not enough hotel beds in the whole country to cater for that amount of visitors! But most of the big hotels are mafia owned - they will be reluctant to give out any data on occupancy and prices paid.

I either stay with family or rent an apartment, of which there are plenty and well appointed to western palates
I would offend anyone I know if I chose a hotel.......................I would class myself as a tourist when I go too.

Bell, why don't you lighten up on Armenia and Armenians once in a while? Either you need to change your therapist or your medication, or start taking some

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia's Tourism is booming.

Armenia has a lot to offer tourists so it is a good bet that tourism is and will be growing. Diasporans should have done and should be doing way more to support this industry but they prefer to travel to other locations like Lebannon, Cyprus, AbuDabi..A typical diasporan will travel to the middle east a dozen times but won't set foot in Armenia yet will not hesitate to label him/herself a hayrenaser..Makes me wanna vomit.
Mher i like your positive mentality and agree with most of the things you say but dude the fact that you along with so many others here supported Raffi is proof that Armenia is still very vulnerable to western backed color revolutions. How can you guys support someone who takes orders from the British embassy i will not understand.