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'Genocide? What genocide?'

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    'Genocide? What genocide?'

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    nice article - thanks for the post.

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      Yes, great post. And for Denialists, there is a key quote in there for you to pay attention to:

      "One day I was discussing these proceedings with a responsible Turkish official," Morgenthau later wrote, "who was describing the tortures inflicted. He made no secret of the fact that the government had instigated them, and, like all Turks of the official classes, he enthusiastically approved this treatment of the detested race. This official told me that all these details were matters of nightly discussion at the headquarters of the Union and Progress Committee."
      -Henry Morgenthau (U.S. Ambassador to Turkey 1916)

      Now I ask you pathetic cowardly denialists how you explain this? Morgenthau had no reason to lie, he was not Armenian, he was not Turk, he was American, and he was disgusted by the actions of the "young turks". For people like Kemal who posts in this forum his rubbish about how he doesn't believe the government planned the Armenian Genocide as if it was all just an unfortunate turn of events or an accident. How could someone like Kemal be so blatantly naive? All the proof is there. Next time you are in the U.S. you and your denialist friends should take a trip to the U.S. national archives and spend a couple of years going through the 25,000 materials that prove the Armenian Genocide was a PLANNED, CALCULATED measure by a nationalist, racist government to eliminate Armenians from their homeland. I know you'd never do it though, most denialists would rather look like life-long neanderthal idiots, incapable of responsibility, truth or justice and humiliated by the entire civilized world. Denialists are in a class with only the lowest forms of life - or are they lower?

      Hovik

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        Originally posted by Hovik
        ...most denialists would rather look like life-long neanderthal idiots, incapable of responsibility, truth or justice and humiliated by the entire civilized world. Denialists are in a class with only the lowest forms of life - or are they lower?

        Hovik
        Good points in your post. As for the issue of those (primarily/overwhelmingly Turks) who deny the Armenian Genocide I think it mostly stems from ignorance, racial/national pride and force feeding by the Turkish government and the culture in Turkey. They have been programed to believe that any Armenian Genocide claims are dishonest, faulty and/or untrue and they have digested the propoganda that their nation has fed them with since birth and has re-enforced through their schooling and they have such national and Turkish pride that has been pumped up through the myths of the founding and triumphs of the Turkish State that it is a very difficult nut to crack. We just have to resign ourselves to the fact that most Turks are going to knee jerk deny. It is a truly exceptional Turk who can see through the training/indoctrination they have recieved - understand their government and the lies and dishonesty of their government - understand the reasons why their nation denies and how their entire nation has been based on these lies and based upon the Genocide of Armenians (and Greeks/other Christians of the Empire). Most Turks have had little or no exposure to anything but the offical Turkish party line. Most are unwilling to even conceive of anything else as being true and are unwilling to objectively read and attempt to understand the myriad of factual and scholarly presentations that discuss the history truthfully and without the Turkish propoganda overlay. You have to understand how difficult to do such is for most Turks as it brings their entire system of self-justification and national pride tumbling down - and these are immensly strong components of their Turkish identity..and what are they left with then? The legacy of barabarism and great crimes commited by their forefathers...they become the prdegeny of criminals instead of great heros etc - so you should be able to understand their reluctance. Of course denial of the Armenian Genocide - any genocide - is shameful and pathetic...but that is just it - these people are for the most part to be pitied. Though like you - I can get very angry when confronted with these type of (mostly Young) Turks who really know/understand very little - but think to come and lecture and blame us - and make spurious claims - rediculous claims in many instances - even this claim that - "well we killed each other" and "Armenians started it" and "you just lost" etc - yeah these lies make me very angry - and particualry when they have been clearly disproven and those who come here are either unwilling or unable to read our past posts and/or other material that addresses these disceptions and inaccuracies from their part. Yes - we need to condemn and fight denial and yes it is very difficult not to get emotional and not to hate these people - but we have to understand why these things occur - who these people are and why they think likek they do - and mostly i think they just deserve our pity..though of course - based on the words and actions of some of them they (some) equally deserve our contempt...

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