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Do you really believe that Hitler's motherland ''Austria'' don't want Turkey to join the EU due to not recognizing the AG or similar reasons? I believe there are still many racists in Austria today. They of course, don't want to see Turkey in EU. If you noticed that people, against Turkey, mostly from Right Wing and Christian Democrats. Right Wing's superiority beliefs and Christian Democrat's relioginal differentation beliefs continue in those civilised(?) xxxxries. -
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To find a racist connection between AG and Ottomans is impossible my friend. Really impossible. Why it is so? Let me state it.Originally posted by Reincarnated Am
When we look at Ottoman history, we can see many kind of cruelty, bad treatments etc. but racism. No. Ottomans sometimes would apply bad treatment to the none-muslims only because of their religion but not their nation. Moreover we can not find a systematical bad treatment or politics on such nations. Ottomans, from the beginning, accepted the concept of ‘’tebaa’’. This means, Ottoman Emp. was formed from many nations and etnicities, so the Empire wouldn’t be considered without this concept. The best instance is that, after conquering the Istanbul, Ottomans, instead of throwing away the ethnic groups, on the contrary, they brought more Armenians and Jews from different places. And as you know the concept of ‘’nation’’ wasn’t known till French Revolution. This came in the 19th century to the Ottomans. Altough its coming, racist opinions, theories and organizations was never existed in the Empire. So we can not show any evidence about this. In fact, for existing of racism, three things are obligatory: Artistic, philosophic and industrial revolutions. After doing those things some people begin to believe their racial supremacy and consider the others as inferior races.
Due to not doing those things, Ottomans were not able to develop racism. Therefore, we can’t find a racial reason in Armenian Genocide. It can be mostly based on religional difference and the other reasons. Of course according to me.Comment
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Yes, you're right. But I am talking about Systematically Developed Racial Philosophy that made in Europe only. And my opinions already support you. (religional differences). ''Gavur'' means ''atheist'' (like me). Ottomans used the word for Christians who lived in the other countries not for Armenians.Comment
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Was ''the Gavur'' used all along the Ottoman history, otherwise, Young Turks began to use it only at the end of the 19th century? In fact, using of this word started at the end of 19th century in order to provoke the Turks against Armenians and to form an enmity against them. Moreover, I saw that the text of clip is Tessa Hoffmann's. It's hard for me to trust this person completely who had made a ridiculous claim that Turks made Gas Rooms in Trabizon for killing Armenians. In those times, Ottomans ,however, didn't have even a candle factory. In addition, were the Young Turks nationalist or Ottomanist? We must search it more. But I know the answer.Comment
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Comparative Genocide Studies-Dr. Tessa Hofmann
"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)Comment
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