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  • The Planned, Organized, Executed Genocide Of Armenians

    The Planned, Organized,
    Executed Genocide
    Of Armenians
    By Jack Manuelian
    3-27-5


    Were the plans of the 1915-23 Armenian Genocide actually drawn up and were in place by the year 1910 or 1912? According to some sources, definitely yes.

    There is the book Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution written by Mevlan Zadeh Rifat and published in 1929, the author, a pro-sultan Turk, claims that the "Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911, by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan Jews in the format of a syncretist Jewish-Muslim sect which included Talaat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nizam posting as Muslims. It met in the Rothschild-funded Grand Orient loge/hotel of Salonika." Syncretism means a combination of different forms of belief or practice; masonism fits that description.

    A 1994 conference paper/lecture by Joseph Brewda of Schiller Institute entitled Palmerson launches Young Turks to permanently control Middle East claims the founder of the Young Turks to be a certain Jew by the name of Emmanuel Carasso. He states: "Carasso set up the Young Turk secret society in the 1890s in Salonika, then part of Turkey, and now part of Greece. Carasso was also the grand master of an Italian masonic lodge there, called 'Macedonia Resurrected.' The lodge was the headquarters of the Young Turks, and all the top Young Turk leadership were members."

    Further on Mr. Brewda says: "During the Young Turk regime, Carasso continued to play a leading role. He met with the sultan, to tell him that he was overthrown. He was in charge of putting the sultan under house arrest. He ran the Young Turk intelligence network in the Balkans. And he was in charge of all food supplies in the empire during World War I." It is ironic that five centuries after the Turkish sultans welcomed the expelled European Jews into Turkey, certain Jews belonging to secret societies and to Zionism will kick the sultans out of power early in 20th century, destroy the Ottoman Empire, and celebrate their victory by massacring by proxy almost the whole Christian Armenian people, one million and half Armenians; half million Greeks; and half million Christian Assyrians & Arameans.

    Mr. Brewda writes: "Another important area was the press. While in power, the Young Turks ran several newspapers, including 'The Young Turk,' whose editor was none other than the Russian Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky had been educated as a young man in Italy."

    Mr. Brewda, ignoring the possibility that Talaat could have been a secret infiltrated Jew, writes: "Of course, there were also some Turks who helped lead the Young Turk movement. For example, Talaat Pasha. Talaat was the interior minister and dictator of the regime during World war I. He had been a member of Carasso's Italian masonic lodge in Salonika. One year prior to the 1908 coup, Talaat became the grand master of the Scottish Rite Masons in the Ottoman Empire. If you go to the [archives of] Scottish Rite headquarters in Washington, D.C., you can find that most of the Young Turk leaders were officials in the Scottish Rite."

    Mr. Brewda also mentions the novel Greenmantle, whose hero is a British spy who led the Young Turks, and that the book's author, John Buchan, later identified the novel's hero as the English nobleman Aubrey Herbert, who was the top British spy master in the Middle East during WW I. And that Lawrence of Arabia later identified Herbert as having been, at one time, the head of the Young Turks. According to Mr. Brewda, Carasso also appears in that novel under the name Carusso.

    By 1916 the British and French, overpowered by greed, already had a secret agreement to divide the Ottoman Empire between themselves. Presently Hitler's Mien Kempt anti-semitic book is a best-seller in Turkey, it is published by various Turkish publishers by the thousands and thousands. Are the Turks finally waking up and realizing that their Sultan's refusal to grant Palestine to the Zionist Jews as a homeland had cost them their centuries- old empire?

    Talaat was a living witness to the Genocide and history. He should not have been assassinated. His silencing for good by hot-tempered Armenians only served those who planned and executed the Genocide. Had he been left alone, who knows he might have confessed everything at his old age or at his deathbed.

    Another conspiratorial source is the lengthy article The Armenian & Jewish Genocide Project: Eliminating Ethnic Conflict Along the Oil Route From Baku to the Suez Canal Region written by Clifford Shack and posted in his web-site.

    Mr. Shack writes: "In the 1880's, the French branch of the Rothschild family acquired interests in Russia's Baku oil fields in an effort to supply their refinery on the Adriatic with cheap Russian oil. In exchange for these interests they built a railroad linking Baku to the newly acquired Black Sea port of Batum. This opened up the Baku oil, a major world supply, to the world. With the success of the new railroad, the Rothschilds had more oil than they could actually sell. Overcoming their fear of competing with the giant Standard oil [of USA], they sought out the huge [Far East] markets east of Suez."

    Further on Mr. Shack makes his point: "The decision by the shrewd French Rothschild branch to diversify into other areas of oil exploitation was, presumably, a calculated one. Three years after they joined Royal Dutch, production at Baku would come to an abrupt halt in 1905. Although shaken by political activity, the principal disruption was due to the violence of the ethnic conflict between the region's Muslims and the minority population of Armenians who are Christians. This ethnic conflict caused the first interruption of oil distribution to the world market. Standard oil was quick to supplant the needs of the effected markets as its source was operating under the blanket of peace. The Royal/Dutch/Shell Group (and the Nobles) watched their Baku investments go up in flames. Ethnic conflict was at the root of the matter. It could be safely assumed that they were taking measures to eliminate the possibility of that happening in the future." Oil corporations seem to have learned their lessons from history because before the construction of present-day Baku-Ceyhan pipeline has began, someone has made sure that no Armenians were left in Baku anymore. Although the Armenian threat to that pipeline has been neutralized, yet there is still A Turkish ultra-nationalist revival threat, and a threat from Iran if Iran comes under attack from USA or Israel. There is a very clean prophecy of Nostradamus stating: "By firepower of armies, not far from the Black Sea, he will come from Persia/Iran to occupy Trebizond." Trebizond is located at the shore of the Black Sea and its occupation will virtually cut the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline in half. Another prophecy of Nostradamus reads: "Toward Persia/Iran a sizable army of a million. The serpent Satan invading Byzantium and Egypt." Byzantium & Egypt could be a mystical name for modern Istanbul asSodom & Egypt is the mystical name given for Jerusalem in the book Revelation 11:8.

    Mr. Shack notes that "the mere elimination of the Armenian population of Baku would not solve the problem of ethnic conflict in that region. The surrounding areas would provide reservoir effect in resupplying the conflicting minority element." And he asks: "was the removal [in 1915-23] of a small minority like the Armenians [from historical Armenia] a fair price to pay for the peace in a region so crucial to the development and investment of the Far East?" Apparently Mr. Shack ignores the factor of revenge raging in the heart of human beasts.

    Mr. Shacks answers his own question by stating in his article about the big business or big corporations: "It would be fair to say that the genocide of a group of a million or so, to serve the benefit of a billion or so [in the Far East], is less of a question of should it be done, than how it could be done. So as not to reveal any plausible motive which could link the actual planners to the genocide, the scheme involved a proxy party [namely the muslim Turks, Kurds & Azeris] , which was manipulated through layers of influence, providing sufficient cover for the planners."

    The fool said in his ignorance, "There was no planned and organized and executed genocide of the Armenians."

    In chapter 30 of the book of Isaiah, we read God speaking by His prophet: "Woe to the rebellious children, who execute a plan, but not Mine, and make an alliance, but not of My Spirit, in order to add sin to sin;...For this is a rebellious people, false sons, sons who refuse to listen to the instruction of the Lord."

    March 27, 2005
    Jack Manuelian
    [email protected]


    Note - this article is NOT copyrighted. Anyone can duplicate in any form. - Jack Manuelian)
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    AN ATROCIOUS MASSACRE
    By Yevgeny Trifonov

    The massacre of Armenians in 1915 and 1916 was a planned action, not a spontaneous outburst of violence

    The history of mankind is marred by various murderous acts, but the organized and purposeful extermination of people of a certain nationality and religion has been recorded only several times. We can recall the massacre of Huns in the Chinese Empire by the Younger Chao in 350, the order of Genghiz Khan to annihilate the Tatar tribe in about 1200, and the extermination of Dzungars by the Chinese army in 1759. Perhaps only these events in the history of East Asia can be described as genocide in the full sense of the word.

    The 20th century was marked by the holocaust of Armenians in Turkey and of Jews in Nazi Germany. The mass extermination of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire during the First World War is one of the most shocking tragedies of the 20th century. During the last ninety years, historians have argued about whether the massacre perpetrated in 1915 and 1916 was an act of genocide or “simply” extermination of defenceless Armenians. This argument is too cynical to examine it seriously. Equally senseless are attempts to count the exact number of victims of the anti-Armenian terror. Turkish historians and officials allege that no more than 500,000 people were killed, while Armenian historians assert that the toll runs from 1.5 to 2.5 million.

    Turkish officials claim that, during the war, the Armenian population supported the advancing Russian troops. As a result, the authorities had to deport Armenians from the frontline area and arrest prominent Armenian intellectuals in Constantinople and exile them to remote districts of the country. Of course, there were “excesses” — wild Kurdish tribes attacked the deported Armenians in hopes of capturing them as slaves. From the formal point of view, this is true in roughly the same way as the allegations of Stalinists that traitors to the homeland and criminals were sent to the GULAG. They were indeed, but the GULAG had another aim.

    However hard Turkish officials may try to deny this fact, the slaughter of 1915 and 1916 was real genocide because people were arrested, killed and deported on the basis of their nationality. It was genocide because the Turkish government adopted and published a special decree, signed by the Interior Minister and the leaders of the ruling Unity and Progress party. Secret circulars ordering the extermination and deportation of Armenians were sent to local authorities, police chiefs and army commanders early in 1914, that is, before the First World War broke out. This means that the extermination of Armenians was an act of the government, not the spontaneous violence of Kurdish tribes.

    The massacre of the Armenians was carried out gradually. In October 1914, the government formed a special body responsible for the policy towards Armenians — the executive committee of three headed by Talaat. The committee had under its command special punitive bodies consisting mainly of criminals released from prison. The first act of the tragedy happened in February 1915, when all Armenians who served in the Turkish army, about 60,000 men, were disarmed, arrested and shot on order of war minister Enver. On April 24 of the same year, 600 Armenian intellectuals were arrested in Constantinople. Among them were members of the Turkish parliament, teachers, writers, priests and physicians. They were exiled to remote districts. Some of the people arrested were killed on the way, the others on arrival at the place of exile. Only several men remained alive. In July of the same year, 20 Armenians, members of the social-democratic Gnchak party, were publicly hanged in the capital. They were accused of treason.

    The large-scale massacre of Armenians and their expulsion from Turkish Armenia began in May-June, and then the terror spread to inner regions of Anatolia. Long columns of old people, women and children trudged to the desert areas of Mesopotamia and Syria. Men were usually killed right away, and hundreds of thousands of people died on the roads and in exile. It is necessary to refute the official story that the Armenians died mainly during attacks of “Kurdish savages.” Some Kurdish tribes were indeed bribed by the Turkish authorities or attacked the Armenians on their own initiative. But most Kurds helped the exiled people in one or another way. Tens of thousands of the Armenians hid for years in Kurdish villages, especially in the mountainous Dersim province, where the local people were virtually independent of Constantinople.

    During a mass uprising in 1925, led by Sheikh Seid, Kurdish rebels fought jointly with Armenians who lived among them for decades. The Armenian disaster affected one more Christian people who lived in Turkish Armenia. I have in mind the Assyrians, who were also killed or exiled to Mesopotamia.

    Some of the Armenians were saved by Russian troops after they had intensified their onslaught on the Caucasian front in 1915 and 1916 and occupied a large part of Turkish Armenia. Some Armenian villages where residents put up resistance to the Turkish forces escaped destruction. The residents of Van revolted. Fierce battles against the punitive forces were waged by Armenian detachments in Sasun, Mushe, Shatah and Shapin-Garahissar.

    The stubborn refusal of Turkey to admit that the extermination of Armenians was an act of genocide cannot be regarded simply as an historical injustice of Ankara and the Turkish establishment. Turkey is going to join united Europe and will bring with it the heavy burden of its past — the slaughter of Armenians and Assyrians, the mass murder of Greeks in 1922 and 1923, and the devastation of Turkish Kurdistan in the twenties, thirties and eighties of last century. Germany repented of the crimes of the Nazis. Turkey is going to join Europe impenitent. If Ankara achieves its aim, the responsibility for the crimes of the Turkish butchers will devolve onto Europe.
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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