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    Young Turks (CUP)

    www.turquie-memoire.com
    http://www.turquie-memoire.com/recyclage_es.html


    Great site about the Young Turks (CUP). For those of you who read/understand Spanish or French, this is a very good site.
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”
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    Re: Young Turks (CUP)

    April 02, 2011
    Young Turks | Jabotinsky and Parvus



    Source: The Life and Times of Vladimir Jabotinsky: Rebel and statesman By Joseph B. Schechtman

    London’s ‘Young Turks’: Jabotinsky and Parvus

    In supporting London’s “Young Turk” plot against Turkey today, our modern Jabotinskyites are acting totally lawfully. For Vladimir Jabotinsky’s career included joining with his fellow British agent, Alexander Helphand (aka Parvus), in the Young Turk movement at the beginning of the 20th Century. Jabotinsky (1880-1940) who traveled widely all over Russia and Europe - lobbying for the Zionist cause in Constantinople following the Young Turk revolution - advocating unrelenting international political activity along with ongoing J3wish settlement in Palestine. While in power, the Young Turks ran several newspapers, including The Young Turk. The paper was owned by a member of the Turkish cabinet, but it was funded by the Russian Zionist federation, and managed by B'nai B'rith. The editorial policy of the paper was overseen by a Dutch Zionist named Jacob Kann, who was the personal banker of the king and queen of the Netherlands. and Parvus (1867-1924) came from Odessa families based in the grain trade.

    While Helphand/Parvus began his political career in the Okhrana-spawned Russian socialist scene, where he played the role of a radical provocateur, he escaped the subsequent police crackdown and ended up in Turkey in 1908. At this point Parvus’s ties to the leading European “Venetian Party” factions would be publicly shown. Parvus went to work as a journalist for the Committee for Union and Progress, otherwise known as the Young Turks, who had carried out a military coup, overthrowing the Sultan and seizing power over the Ottoman Empire. By their own accounts,the Young Turks based their revolution on a version of Pan-Turkism that had been devised by an advisor to the Sultan in the 1860s who was, in fact, an agent of Britain’s Lord Palmerston. Parvus’s Young Turk interlude earned him a large fortune. He had partnered with Young Turk financier and Macedonia Risorta Lodge founder Emmanuel Carasso, and had been given the contract to supply grain to the Turks during the Balkan wars of 1912- 13. According to some accounts, Parvus also got into the tightly controlled arms business, probably under the patronage of Sir Basil Zaharoff of the Vickers Arms cartel, a prominent Anglo-Venetian enterprise.

    The Young Turks, in power, made no secret of their London ties. In 1909 the Ottoman Navy was put under the command of a British admiral; the British Royal Family’s own banker, Ernst Cassel[1], established and managed the National Bank of Turkey; and British officials advised the Ministry of Finance, the Interior Ministry, and the Ministry of Justice.

    With the outbreak of the World War I in 1914, Jabotinsky found himself in disagreement over strategy with prevailing opinion within the Zionist camp. Unconvinced that the Turks or the Arabs would accommodate the aims of Zionism, he advocated bolder tactics. As he was convinced of an ultimate Allied victory, Jabotinsky, together with Joseph Trumpeldor, called for the establishment of a J3wish fighting force to join the Allies in liberating Palestine from Ottoman rule. Thus they could earn a place at the peace table, with the right to demand establishment of an independent J3wish state in Palestine.

    After the Young Turks were defeated by Turkish nationalist leader Kemal Ataturk, seasoned British agents Jabotinsky and Parvus were available to deploy elsewhere.

    [1] Sir Ernest Joseph Cassel, (3 March 1852 – 21 September 1921)[1] was a British merchant banker and capitalist.

    Born in Cologne, Germany, Cassel was J3wish. His father Jacob Cassel owned a small bank, but the son Ernest arrived penniless in Liverpool, England in 1869. There he found employment with a firm of grain merchants. With an enormous capacity for hard work and a natural business sense, Cassel was soon in Paris working for a bank. The Franco-Prussian War forced him to move to a position in a London bank, as he was born in Prussia.

    He prospered and was soon putting together his own financial deals. His areas of interest were in mining, infrastructure and heavy industry. Turkey was an early area of business ventures, but he soon had large interests in Sweden, the United States, South America, South Africa, and Egypt.

    One of the wealthiest men of his day, Cassel was a good friend of King Edward VII, prime minister Herbert Asquith and Winston Churchill. Awards received in thanks for services to foreign governments included the Grand Cordon of the Imperial Ottoman Order of Osmanieh in 1903

    http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2011/...nd-parvus.html
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      Re: Young Turks (CUP)

      "The Five minute standstill" is how it is labeled in a book on Turkey.
      It mentions Ataturk's picture in any office. 10th of November, date of his passing, the people there remember and stop what they are doing at 9.05am.


      No kidding, reminds me of the Soviet era when besides Marx and Engles,
      there was Lenin, then each successive leader had his photo up on the wall with the "demigods" of the country in every classroom. In the Soviet Union the people lined up to visit the tomb of Lenin.

      The motto: "do not put all your faith in one man-for surely you will be disappointed."

      the other line: "it takes 40 million Frenchmen..." yeah, and recall what Napoleon did for them at Waterloo!

      Doesn't sound like a westernized nation. Reminds me of Nassir's funeral procession in Egypt.

      Worship of any man is not healthy for a nation.
      Last edited by Christina; 09-06-2011, 01:24 AM.

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        Re: Young Turks (CUP)

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        April 02, 2011
        Young Turks | Jabotinsky and Parvus


        I can't take serious any book that continuously uses the phrase "Young Turk" in this way. "Young Turks" was a label applied by foreigners. There was no "Young Turk Party" it was the İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti ("Committee of Union and Progress" or C.U.P.) . It is like writing a book about the Russian Revolution and never using the word Bolshevik, but instead always calling them "Reds" and "Commies".
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          Re: Young Turks (CUP)

          Originally posted by Christina View Post
          "The Five minute standstill" is how it is labeled in a book on Turkey.
          It mentions Ataturk's picture in any office. 10th of November, date of his passing, the people there remember and stop what they are doing at 9.05am.


          No kidding, reminds me of the Soviet era when besides Marx and Engles,
          there was Lenin, then each successive leader had his photo up on the wall with the "demigods" of the country in every classroom. In the Soviet Union the people lined up to visit the tomb of Lenin.

          The motto: "do not put all your faith in one man-for surely you will be disappointed."

          the other line: "it takes 40 million Frenchmen..." yeah, and recall what Napoleon did for them at Waterloo!

          Doesn't sound like a westernized nation. Reminds me of Nassir's funeral procession in Egypt.

          Worship of any man is not healthy for a nation.
          Actually there is just as much (and probably far more) peer-pressure-enforced mass conformity in America and Europe. I dare anyone to have the courage to stand up to the various 9/11 collective silences and their associated propaganda, or the militaristic dogma that is seen in Britain in the recent political hijacking and enforced 5-minute standstills associated with "Rememberence Day" commemorations (which should now be renamed "Forgetfulness Day").
          Last edited by bell-the-cat; 09-06-2011, 08:29 AM.
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            Re: Young Turks (CUP)

            My grandpa used to say young Turks were Turkish-xxxish people.

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              Why is xxx x-ed out?

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                Originally posted by Serjik View Post
                Why is xxx x-ed out?
                Maybe its got somthing to do with what your grandfather said.....if you find out why then you let me know, i am curious as well.
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                  The link isn't working

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                    Originally posted by Qami View Post
                    The link isn't working
                    Link has moved to http://www.imprescriptible.fr/turqui...recyclage.html
                    Last edited by KanadaHye; 03-04-2012, 11:50 AM.
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