Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

[CRDA-France]

For exemple the Native Americans :

http://www.crda-france.org/fr/9genocide1915/f_bindiens_americains.htm

Native Peoples Sciences and Museums - in Armenia - United Nations - Palestinians - Hereros - Bushmen - South America Indians - Indians of the USA - Indians of Canada - Eskimos - Indigenous of Australia - Maoris of New Zealand - Kanaks of New Caledonia - Hawaïians :

http://www.crda-france.org/fr/9genocide1915/f_bautochtones.htm

Nil Agopoff (CRDA-Paris)

http://www.crda-france.org/index.htm

[CRDA-France]

As there is a political strategy of recognizing 1915 Genocide State by State instead of recognizing by the Federal Government :

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/current_category.11/affirmation_list.html

if you live in the USA, you can contact the different Indian Reservations of the USA :

http://www.ncai.org/Tribal_Directory.3.0.html

and finally ask the "the National Congress of American Indians" or other Native Americans Centralized Associations :

http://www.ncai.org/

Though Native Americans do not have important political importance, but they have a great symbolic importance of anteriority, of authenticity and of being indigenous-native peoples dispossed from their land.

Nil.

http://www.crda-france.org/fr/9genocide1915/f_bindiens_americains.htm

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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

Among the indigenous peoples which were dispossessed from their land, is the Palestinian people. We know for the past and we see present humanitarian situation at the TV. But what is going to be in the coming future ?

How many more Palestinians are going to be dispossessed again from their land ?

http://www.viewpoint.co.il/movies_valley_of_peace.shtml

When I see this beautiful video, I remember the American Dream of Californian Gold Rush with consequences of present skyscrapers in Los Angeles and Native Americans in Indian Reservations.

Nil
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[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

Nil, I am glad to see these posts, it is very important to show the similarities between Armenians and dispossesed indigenous people as Armenians are the indigenous people of Anatolia. Many people of Native American descent do not know about the Armenian Genocide (I did not know until two years ago) and it is important to spread the word.

I will try contacting organisations, specifically Xicano and Mayan/Nahuatl organisations to push for recognition as our people, especially the Mayans (who faced a Genocide in 1981) can definitely relate.

Will tell you more as to time progresses

[Hye_Psycho]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

Nil, I am glad to see these posts, it is very important to show the similarities between Armenians and dispossesed indigenous people as Armenians are the indigenous people of Anatolia. Many people of Native American descent do not know about the Armenian Genocide (I did not know until two years ago) and it is important to spread the word.

I will try contacting organisations, specifically Xicano and Mayan/Nahuatl organisations to push for recognition as our people, especially the Mayans (who faced a Genocide in 1981) can definitely relate.

Will tell you more as to time progresses

what exactly is the 'national identity' of states in South/central America? from what i gather we have here a dominant Latino/Hispanic group who have essentially displaced and ethnically cleansed the indigenous populous.

how then do you react to the revolutionary left in South America? is the political push coming from indigenous folk? or is there serious hypocrisy in Latin American left wing movements. i.e they should xxxx off back to Europe, before they preach ideals of equality, national liberation and various Marxian dogma.

I am always skeptical of the likes of Guevara and Castro for the above reasons.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

what exactly is the 'national identity' of states in South/central America? from what i gather we have here a dominant Latino/Hispanic group who have essentially displaced and ethnically cleansed the indigenous populous.

how then do you react to the revolutionary left in South America? is the political push coming from indigenous folk? or is there serious hypocrisy in Latin American left wing movements. i.e they should xxxx off back to Europe, before they preach ideals of equality, national liberation and various Marxian dogma.

I am always skeptical of the likes of Guevara and Castro for the above reasons.

Okay this is quite unrelated but I will answer for you.
Mexicans, most Latin Americans (Bolivians, Peruvians, Guatemalans, etc.)
are primarily Native American, most of Mexican culture is Amerind in origin (principally Nahuatl and Mayan).

You mistakenly call those of us of Latin American origin people who ethnically cleansed the natives, this is a fallacy. Alot of peopel are defined as Mestizo (mixed European and Amerind origin) save of course for the Dominicans and Cubans who are Mulatto and Uruguyans who are European usually.
Mexicans racially are according to research 80% Amerind, culturally however 30% of the population is defined as mestizo, the definition mestizo was put across as someone who lives in the city and speaks Spanish, therefore saying that we are Spanish is ridiculous, according to Spanish colonial law, all citizens were forced to take Spanish surnames, same as in the US with English in regards to Native Americans.
This however has changed, the largest growing population is the Amerind group, also Xicanos are usually descendants of poor Amerinds who migrated to America due to discrimination and political instability during the Civil War between Diaz, Carranza, Huerta, Villa, Zapata, etc.

Mexico's population is best described as Urban Indian.

There was no displancement, merely forced assimilation, however the tides have turned, most Mexicans and Xicanos embrace primarily their Amerind roots, a quick DNA test example is one dude I know who was defined as Latino by the US but proved via DNA to be pure Native.

Guatemala, Peru, Bolivia and Paraguays national identity is Amerind,
the majority of the people are culturally and racially Amerind, Evo Morales is Native American and now the President of Bolivia.
The best president Mexico ever had was Benito Juarez, a Zapotec (Venizaa).

Castro, El Che, Marcos and so forth have promoted indigenous rights and helped to empower the Natives, alot may frown on Socialism but it has benifitted the lives of millions of Natives.

What you seem to forget is that just because you speak a language it does not make you of that group, if a Japanese guy speaks English, does it make him English, no. Just as if an ethnic Mayan, Nahuatl or Zapotec speaks Spanish, it makes you neither Spanish nor white.
We use Spanish as there are many different Native languages such as Tarahumara, Purepechua, Maya, etc. and its easier to use one language which most know instead of learning each one.

As an example, most state names in Mexico is Amerind (Huastecan, Michoacan, Chihuahua), the word Mexican = Mexica (Nahuatl for people of the moons/heavens).
In Nahuatlatolli, Mexico (pronounced Meh-shee-koh not actually Meh-hee-koh or Mehks-ee-ko) is empire of the Mexica,
Tenochtitlan (the original name of Mexico city) means Tenoch's land (tlan is like Persian stan)
Just like Armenians had to change names away from their Turkish names which were forced upon them to the original Armenians ones, so did we with Mexico, we gave it its indigenous name (under colonial times, Mexico was called Nueva Espana)

[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

the Mayans who faced a Genocide in 1981

Thank you Pedro for the information. I had also heard that there had been a witch hunt in villages of Mexico, chasing Indians at the beginning of the XX century.

To that extent that the Mexican representative with the Turkish representative were making contacts with the other international jurists to avoid retroactive laws in the elaborating the International Justice Court of Rome. I had seen this in a TV Channel in France 10 years ago (?)

>> there is a historical research to do on what happened in Mexico in those years.

Actually we can see what is happenning in Gaza : how a coloniser State (with its special ideology) houndes the remaining indigenous -who try to fight for the symbolic souvenir of their broken dignity. For how many decades, the Palestinian people had been slandered in order to manipulate public and international opinions ? More actually, we forget Hamas was democraticly elected.

Besides strategic common interests, there are symbolic similarities with the history of the USA. Don't we know how Indian Red-Skins were global victims of exactions and repressions by the Federal Army because some had dared to attack wagons or the railway ?

Haven't we heard the American saying in so many films of cowboys : "A good Indian is a dead Indian" ? Was not it the pragmatic method to present and make the victim guilty and the coloniser innocent ?

The solution of this tragic Gaza crisis is not (ideological-)military but (sociological-)political.

Nil

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200916191833159347.html

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[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

There was indeed and the Creole government attacked Mayan farmers in 1994 prompting the birth of the EZLN. But I have refering actually to the Guatemalan Genocide, I have a post at the General Discussion area with info on it.

The Mexicans who generally try to forget about this is usually the Creole section. Mexican society works in three layers, Creole, Mestizo and Indian, Mestizo and Indian is always marginalised at the bottom as because for years Indian ancestry was seen as inferior, still to this day most people in government, politics and television are Creoles (Spaniards). There has been moves now for greater Indian and Mestizo involvement.

Mestizo have been treated the same, having attacks against them and having their property stolen but then again mestizo just means being Indian and speaking Spanish in actualy practice

[Joseph]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

Okay this is quite unrelated but I will answer for you.
Mexicans, most Latin Americans (Bolivians, Peruvians, Guatemalans, etc.)
are primarily Native American, most of Mexican culture is Amerind in origin (principally Nahuatl and Mayan).

You mistakenly call those of us of Latin American origin people who ethnically cleansed the natives, this is a fallacy. Alot of peopel are defined as Mestizo (mixed European and Amerind origin) save of course for the Dominicans and Cubans who are Mulatto and Uruguyans who are European usually.
Mexicans racially are according to research 80% Amerind, culturally however 30% of the population is defined as mestizo, the definition mestizo was put across as someone who lives in the city and speaks Spanish, therefore saying that we are Spanish is ridiculous, according to Spanish colonial law, all citizens were forced to take Spanish surnames, same as in the US with English in regards to Native Americans.
This however has changed, the largest growing population is the Amerind group, also Xicanos are usually descendants of poor Amerinds who migrated to America due to discrimination and political instability during the Civil War between Diaz, Carranza, Huerta, Villa, Zapata, etc.

Mexico's population is best described as Urban Indian.

There was no displancement, merely forced assimilation, however the tides have turned, most Mexicans and Xicanos embrace primarily their Amerind roots, a quick DNA test example is one dude I know who was defined as Latino by the US but proved via DNA to be pure Native.

Guatemala, Peru, Bolivia and Paraguays national identity is Amerind,
the majority of the people are culturally and racially Amerind, Evo Morales is Native American and now the President of Bolivia.
The best president Mexico ever had was Benito Juarez, a Zapotec (Venizaa).

Castro, El Che, Marcos and so forth have promoted indigenous rights and helped to empower the Natives, alot may frown on Socialism but it has benifitted the lives of millions of Natives.

What you seem to forget is that just because you speak a language it does not make you of that group, if a Japanese guy speaks English, does it make him English, no. Just as if an ethnic Mayan, Nahuatl or Zapotec speaks Spanish, it makes you neither Spanish nor white.
We use Spanish as there are many different Native languages such as Tarahumara, Purepechua, Maya, etc. and its easier to use one language which most know instead of learning each one.

As an example, most state names in Mexico is Amerind (Huastecan, Michoacan, Chihuahua), the word Mexican = Mexica (Nahuatl for people of the moons/heavens).
In Nahuatlatolli, Mexico (pronounced Meh-shee-koh not actually Meh-hee-koh or Mehks-ee-ko) is empire of the Mexica,
Tenochtitlan (the original name of Mexico city) means Tenoch's land (tlan is like Persian stan)
Just like Armenians had to change names away from their Turkish names which were forced upon them to the original Armenians ones, so did we with Mexico, we gave it its indigenous name (under colonial times, Mexico was called Nueva Espana)

Thanks Pedro!

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenians And Indigenous-Native Peoples Dispossed From Their Land

My pleasure Joseph bro.

I think the best way to sum us up is this :

http://www.judybaca.com/dia/text/joaquin.html