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Hacking History I and II: by Ara Sarafian

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  • #11
    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    Ara Sarafian is not an expert here - he is a tourist. The first two instalments were acceptable but rather inacurate and very incomplete. The Van installment is pathetic, it bares little relation to reality. BTW - I've been to the Van museum more than a dozen times, same for all the other museums.
    Can you tell us about your experiences then?
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Joseph View Post
      Can you tell us about your experiences then?
      Too complicated to write about off-the-cuff.

      About Hacking History III
      There are loads of Armenian objects in the Van museum - Sarafian really is showing an astonishing lack of observation by saying there are none.

      "The word on the street " He has decended into writing out and out propaganda. Only an idiot would believe such an explanation for the closure, and Sarafian is not an idiot - so propaganda is the only explanation for his inclusion of that stuff.

      There are lots more. Rereading it again, I'm just getting annoyed. Worse that its inaccurcy is that such articles' close the path for accurate and serious articles on the subject.
      Plenipotentiary meow!

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      • #13
        Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
        Too complicated to write about off-the-cuff.

        About Hacking History III
        There are loads
        "The word on the street " He has decended into writing out and out propaganda. Only an idiot would believe such an explanation for the closure, and Sarafian is not an idiot - so propaganda is the only explanation for his inclusion of that stuff.
        The question is whose propoganda?
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Gavur View Post
          The question is whose propoganda?
          Your propaganda. Giving the delusional more material to continue with their delusions.

          The museum was actually closed for a complete renovation. Most of the exhibits are now in new display cases with lighting that switches on as you approach (or doesn't - they were installed by Turkish electricians) and have bilingual captions. That plus a lot of breakages, and a selective removal of a few of the more off-message exhibits (for example, a big 19thC certificate thingy in Syriac (?) presented by the Church of England to some Syrian/Nestorian church in the region). And all the Urartian inscribed stones in the garden are now embedded in concrete and arranged in rows and given little plaques with their dates and locations found.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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          • #15
            I can't imagine Ara Sarafian wanting to produce propaganda. He's spoken against it so much.

            bell-the-cat, Sarafian is not saying that there are absolutely no Armenian objects in the museum. He is saying that there are no references to Armenians.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by chinchilla View Post
              I can't imagine Ara Sarafian wanting to produce propaganda. He's spoken against it so much.

              bell-the-cat, Sarafian is not saying that there are absolutely no Armenian objects in the museum. He is saying that there are no references to Armenians.
              For jinglbells the reference to the origin of the object is a little unimportant detail (even kind of racist detail). In turkey nothing can be of Armenian origin. It can be Syriac, Greek, and Urartian (as Urartians for turks were of Martian origin but not Armenian) or it even can be Patagonian but not Armenian. It gets so ridiculous so even after restoration of Akhtamars Holly Cross church you can’t find any indication that it is an Armenian church…
              I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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              • #17
                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post


                There are not two versions. There is the head of one bronze statue, dug up by villagers in the 1870s in the ruins of the Roman legionary camp at Satala.
                How do you know it is Aphrodit? Specially if it is found as you say in "n the ruins of the Roman legionary camp", it may be Venus?

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                There is also the torso of a stone statue, probably female, in the Erzincan Cultural Centre courtyard. It might be of Anahit. However nobody knows about it and it has not been published.
                And how come that might be Anahit? Specially if there is no face on it....
                I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by bell-the-cat
                  Your propaganda. Giving the delusional more material to continue with their delusions.

                  The museum was actually closed for a complete renovation. Most of the exhibits are now in new display cases with lighting that switches on as you approach (or doesn't - they were installed by Turkish electricians) and have bilingual captions. That plus a lot of breakages, and a selective removal of a few of the more off-message exhibits (for example, a big 19thC certificate thingy in Syriac (?) presented by the Church of England to some Syrian/Nestorian church in the region). And all the Urartian inscribed stones in the garden are now embedded in concrete and arranged in rows and given little plaques with their dates and locations found.
                  Again by assuming .......
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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