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  • #21
    This link here I just ran into talks about Kemal and his mistresses.I'll post it, but haven't read it yet.

    The Pasha and the Gypsy
    The Pasha and the Gypsy: The Pasha and the Gypsy -- Part I
    http://pashagypsy.blogspot.com/2008/04/pasha-and-gypsy-part-i-lady-bracknell.html
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Gavur View Post
      This link here I just ran into talks about Kemal and his mistresses.I'll post it, but haven't read it yet.

      The Pasha and the Gypsy
      http://pashagypsy.blogspot.com/2008/...bracknell.html
      Perhaps you should have read it first.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Gavur View Post
        After reviewing this article I believe it is hogwash,and don't sound very credible at all analytically.
        Why? Which aspects seemed you incredible?

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        • #24
          Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
          Why? Which aspects seemed you incredible?
          Well it wasn't what was in it ,but was not.It doesn't have the stuff that usually goes with something that got unclassified,instead a fairy tale.
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #25
            Originally posted by steph View Post
            Perhaps you should have read it first.
            Sorry just didn't make the time,did you?if so tell us.
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Gavur View Post
              Sorry just didn't make the time,did you?if so tell us.
              I have read it and find not so much useful, but it can be read as an informative essay.

              It mentions personality cult around Kemal in almost a "respectful" (or if you wish, "flattering") discourse and then his "love"s, especial with Zsa Zsa.

              Anyway, not so much useful to understand Kemalism phenomena. If you can, i think Sevan Nishanian's "False Republic" is the best i have ever read.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                Sorry just didn't make the time,did you?if so tell us.
                It's really just cheap gossip, Gavur, mostly about ZsaZsa Gabor and partly about Ataturk's philandery. Sometimes we find a gemstone, sometimes we don't.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                  I have read it and find not so much useful, but it can be read as an informative essay.

                  It mentions personality cult around Kemal in almost a "respectful" (or if you wish, "flattering") discourse and then his "love"s, especial with Zsa Zsa.

                  Anyway, not so much useful to understand Kemalism phenomena. If you can, i think Sevan Nishanian's "False Republic" is the best i have ever read.
                  Thank you, do you have ISBN number for false republic by any chance?
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                    Thank you, do you have ISBN number for false republic by any chance?
                    Yanlış Cumhuriyet: Atatürk ve Kemalizm Üzerine 51 Soru, Sevan Nişanyan, Kırmızı Yayınları, 2008

                    ISBN 9759169770

                    False Republic: 51 Questions on Ataturk and Kemalism, Sevan Nishanian.

                    PS: I have personal contact with Sevan and he stated me, he wrote the book in mid 90s, but dare to publish this year.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                      Yanlış Cumhuriyet: Atatürk ve Kemalizm Üzerine 51 Soru, Sevan Nişanyan, Kırmızı Yayınları, 2008

                      ISBN 9759169770

                      False Republic: 51 Questions on Ataturk and Kemalism, Sevan Nishanian.

                      PS: I have personal contact with Sevan and he stated me, he wrote the book in mid 90s, but dare to publish this year.
                      Looks like it is only available in Turkish which is ok,but hopefully soon will be transelated to other tongues.From the looks of it (thanks to you) i found my paralel thinker,traveller,who some call "Gavur Hoca" in Turkey!

                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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