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[Armenian]

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Armenians ‘massacred 10,000 xxxs,’ claims report


Recent remarks by New York-based xxxish lobby organization the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) about the alleged Armenian genocide have added further fuel to a long-standing debate over the World War I-era deaths of Anatolian Armenians. However, recent studies conducted in Ottoman archives reveal another side to the period, suggesting that Armenian gangs killed about 10,000 xxxs in Anatolia and the Caucasus around the same time, according to a news story in the latest issue of Aksiyon news magazine. The recent remarks by the ADL that the Armenian genocide claims should be accepted -- a stance which was later softened by the qualification that it was a matter for historians -- caused uneasiness among the global xxxish community, Aksiyon noted. At the time Lenny Ben-David, former undersecretary at the Israeli Embassy in the US, had cautioned the Israeli government to act wisely on the issue. In his article published in the Oct. 5 issue of the Jerusalem Post, titled “Turkey and Armenia: What xxxs should do,” In the piece, Ben-David referred to the arguments that Armenians killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and hundreds of xxxs in the early 20th century. An examination of the Ottoman archives and documents shows Armenian gangs are estimated to have killed somewhere in the region of 2 million Muslims between 1914 and 1919. The same archives also suggest thousands of xxxs were killed by Armenians. Though the definite number is not known, it is reckoned to be approximately 10,000. Aksiyon’s story also explains that Gad Nassi, a researcher and author who has made studies on Sabetayist, Ladino-speaking and Crypto xxxish communities, took down the massacre stories of living witnesses. At that time the Ottoman Empire sponsored the detailed studies of the atrocities perpetrated against Muslims by Armenians in collaboration with Russians. According to the reports prepared from these studies, officials saw a pile of the corpses of 300 xxxish people who had set off from Hakkari to search for their relatives, only to be intercepted and killed by Armenians. International Strategic Research Organization (ISRO/USAK) Chairman Sedat Laçiner maintains that the lack of a xxxish population in southeastern Anatolia can be attributed to massacre by Armenians.

Source: http://www.turks.us/article~story~20071009211751578.htm

[Digger]

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Turk means different. It is not ethnical. We all of us Turks who live in the border of Republic with the variety of ethnical identity such as Turks, Kurds, Circassians, Lazs, Armenians. This is the richness of Turkey.

Then why did you ethnically cleanse Turkey of its Christian inhbitants, namely Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians? You would have massacred your Kurdish inhabitants as well if they did not share the same Islamic religion as yours.

[Gunner14]

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Ottoman was a religious based aristocratic theocracy. Turks were in largest community as Armenians to be in. Now in the Turkish Republic. Turk means different. It is not ethnical. We all of us Turks who live in the border of Republic with the variety of ethnical identity such as Turks, Kurds, Circassians, Lazs, Armenians. This is the richness of Turkey. And we say "Happy is he who calls himself a Turk." I am proud to be a Turk.

What are you most proud of?

I'm seriously curious... don't be superficial, but please indulge me.

[Merv]

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For Latif:

List of the Ottoman Grand Viziers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_Grand_Viziers

List of the most prominent Valides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Valide_Sultan

You draw your own conclusions on who was running the empire.

[Merv]

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Are you fascist? As your forefathers do? I can understand you.

No, I think the comments I quoted are racist, but I do feel that Turks are a defunct culture at the moment. All of the "great Turks" were Slavs, Greeks, Albanians, Armenians, or something else. Their current president, Erdogan is of Georgian background. Gul is of Arab background. You may consider that a society of "tolerance" - but that tolerance largely arose because Turks were incompetent to do anything for centuries, except kill. Sinan was a Greek/Armenian. Mehmed Pasa Sokolovic was a Serb. The Koprulu viziers were Albanians. The Ottoman queens (and their sons, the sultans) were Slavs, Greeks, xxxs, etc. (Kosem (Greek), Safiye (Albanian), Hurrem (Russian), Nur Banu (xxxish) etc.). If the Turks had not been "tolerant" to the Christians/converted Christians the empire would have literally fallen to pieces due to their incompetence.

[Azad]

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Are you fascist? As your forefathers do? I can understand you.

If not wanting to be a turk classifies me as a "fascist" than I will bear the title with pride.

[Azad]

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However, I am VERY surprised that he voted for the Armenian resolution. Maybe his conscience finally clicked?

Wishful thoughts. Lantos has no conscience. He gets his "conscience" from the Knesset (Semitic word for place of prayer). For years all of the Jacobites have been voting against the Armenian resolution and one day overnight all 7 out of 8 Jacobites voted for the resolution. It is called synchronized swimming. Turkey served their objective it is time to promote the kurds.

[Merv]

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Latif, thank you for your kind words and concern. But before you go too far you should worry about turks that are still walking on all four and maybe focus on having an identity yourself instead of dragging Arabic and Asian cultures into Anatolia just like your name indicates it. Best regards.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/images/gene-siblings-l.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/genetic.html

Two very apt quotes, from wikipedia:

According to the book Organised Crime In Europe: Concepts, Patterns and Control Policies in the European Union and Beyond By Cyrille Fijnaut, Letizia Paoli(Published 2004, Springer, pg 206):

The third structural problem had to do with the ethnic hierarchy that prevailed throughout the empire (Ottomon empire). In the Seljuq periods, the authorities viewed Georgians. Iranians and Slavs as the top ranking peoples, and Turks and Turkmens as the lowest. Turkish was a language only to be spoken by people of humble descent, and it is not difficult to find offensive and racist comments in the writings of Seljuq authors: 'Bloodthirsty Turks [...] If they get the chance, they plunder, but as soon as they see the enemy coming, off they run'.' Matters were not much different in the Ottoman period, even though the empire was governed by a small elite at the court, which was Turkish itself. According to Cetin Yetkin, one of the major Turkish authors on the Seljuq and Ottoman periods. 'In the Ottoman Empire, though Turks were a "minority", they did not have the same rights as the other minorities' (Yerkin, 1974: 175). In fact the term 'Turk' was a pejorative. Ottoman historian Naima, who also wrote a book about the Anatolian rebels, uses the following terms for the Turks: Tiirk-i bed-lika (Turk with an ugly face), nadan Turk (ignorant Turk) and eirak-i bi-idrak (Turk who knows nothing).”

and

William Ewart Gladstone former British Prime Minister was quoted in the same book as saying:

“Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in the rudest outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simxply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disapxpeared from view. They represented everywhere government by force as opposed to government by law.—Yet a government by force can not be mainxtained without the aid of an intellectual element.— Hence there grew up, what has been rare in the hisxtory of the world, a kind of tolerance in the midst of cruelty, tyranny and rapine. Much of Christian life was contemptuously left alone and a race of Greeks was attracted to Constantinople which has all along made up, in some degree, the deficiencies of Turkish Islam in the element of mind!”[22]

[Azad]

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They are starving. They need Turkey.

Latif, thank you for your kind words and concern. But before you go too far you should worry about turks that are still walking on all four and maybe focus on having an identity yourself instead of dragging Arabic and Asian cultures into Anatolia just like your name indicates it. Best regards.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/images/gene-siblings-l.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/genetic.html

[Merv]

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Tom Lantos should be embraced by the Armenian community, he demonstrated true leadership regardless of what anyone wants to say about his past flip-flopping and regardless of whether he believes recognition is proper, he obviously believed it was a matter that should be discussed in his committee and brought to the floor. He was courageous.

As leaders in the J-ewish community can exert much emotional influence on individuals. And some call on him often. Maybe, he was trying to free himself of the burden. Either way, he is a hero.

Also, some of the dissenters, especially Rep. Meeks, made valid points that were not based on the old party line for non-recognition/continued denial that were more an opportunity to make a political statement about the reek emanating from the Hill and the need to clean it up before we start wagging our biased finger at others.

Oddly, these statements came after almost every voting politician in DC ran to the floor to condemn the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists as we allow private contractors to do our dirty work in other countries with immunity from those 'sovereign' nations.

Tom Lantos is definitely not a good guy. He is a Hungarian xxx who escaped the Holocaust, and the engineered the NATO/American attacks on Serbs in 1990s. As a Hungarian xxx, he must know that his neighbors to the south did not collaborate in the Nazi genocide, and were themselves the victims of Croatian genocide in the Jasenovac death camp (700,000+ victims killed there alone). Shame on him (and Albright, a Czech xxx who got refuge in Serbia) for turning on the Serbs and crucifying them so Israel would be out of the spotlight.

However, I am VERY surprised that he voted for the Armenian resolution. Maybe his conscience finally clicked? Or are there a lot of Armenians in San Mateo and San Francisco?