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FROM THE TIMES ARCHIVES - October 8, 1915: 'THE ARMENIAN MASSACRES'

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    FROM THE TIMES ARCHIVES: 'THE ARMENIAN MASSACRES'

    The Times, London
    Oct 11 2007

    How The Times reported the story on Friday October 8, 1915

    >From The Times, Friday October 8, 1915
    THE ARMENIAN MASSACRES
    EXTERMINATING A RACE
    A RECORD OF HORRORS

    To one who remembers the rejoicings which welcomed the bloodless
    Turkish Revolution of 1908, the fraternization of Moslem and Christian,
    the confidence in a better future for the Armenians which survived even
    the Adana massacre of 1909, the story of the systematic persecution
    of the Armenians of Turkey is a bitter tale to tell.

    Talaat Bey and his extremist allies have out-Hamided Abdul Hamid.

    They have even shocked their German friends, thus attaining eminence in
    "frightfulness" to which the "Red Sultan" never soared.

    When the Committee of Union and Progress finally decided to mobilize
    its forces against the Triple Entente, one of its first steps was
    to make an end of "all that nonsense about Armenian reforms," as the
    Grand Vizier styled the latest reform scheme imposed by the Powers.

    One of the two European Inspectors-General, who were to watch over
    the Administration of the six Eastern Provinces of Turkey-in-Asia,
    had already set forth on his journey, greeted on his way by salaaming
    officials and escorted by respectful gendarmes. Then came the
    mobilization of the Turkish Army, and before he had even reached his
    destination he was bundled off, returning the Constantinople with a
    minimum of pomp and ceremony. At once occasional raids on Armenian
    villages began to be reported from the "Six Villayets".

    No massacre took place during the Turkish mobilization or the early
    stages of the Caucasus campaign. It was not until Enver Pasha's Army
    had invaded Russian territory, and another Turkish force, composed in
    part of Kurdish irregulars, had invaded Azerbaijan, that massacres
    began. At Ardahan the Turkish regulars are said by the Russians to
    have killed 15 civilians during their brief occupation of the town, but
    their irregular allies and bands of Turkish fedais committed horrible
    crimes at Oity, Ardanush, Artum, and other places which they occupied,
    unchecked by the regulars. Armenians were thrown over cliffs, their
    women violated and abducted, their children frequently Islamised. The
    invasion of Azerbaijan was attended by similar excesses. The bulk of
    the Armenian population, after suffering great privations, escaped
    into Russian territory. According to Russian newspapers and American
    missionaries, over 2,000 were killed, often by order of Turkish
    Consuls, in North-West Persia. Kurdish tribesmen committed gruesome
    atrocities near Bayesid, and, when the worst of the winter was over,
    began to raid the Armenian villages near Van.

    The defeat of Sary Kamish, inflicted by an army which included many
    Armenians, had infuriated Enver's ruthless temper. The systematic
    massacre of the 25,000 Armenians of the Bashkala district, of whom
    less than 10 per cent are said by Russian newspapers to have escaped
    slaughter or forced conversion, appears to have been ordered and
    carried out at this period.

    The full description of the horrors that ensued along the frontier
    must be left to our Russian allies. Suffice it to say that late in
    April the Armenians in the Van district who had collected arms to
    defend themselves against the Kurds before the war were attacked
    by Kurds and Turkish gendarmes. In some places they were massacred;
    in others they more than held their own, and finally they captured
    the town of Van and took a bloody vengeance on their enemies. Early
    in May a Russo-Armenian army entered Van.

    TALAAT BEY'S POLICY

    It is said by the Turks in their defence that the decision to deport
    the Eastern Armenians was only arrived at after the discovery of
    an Armenian plot in Constantinople and after the Van outbreak. But
    the Armenians executed in Constantinople in April were men of the
    Hintchak society who had been in prison for over a year, and the
    deportation or massacre of Armenians had begun at many places before
    the Van Armenians were criminal enough to help themselves. There can
    be no doubt that Enver, who has never shrunk from violent methods,
    approved of the policy that was adopted. Commanding officers in
    the provinces received orders in April and May authorising them to
    deport all individuals or families whose presence might be regarded
    as politically or militarily dangerous, and in the case of some of
    the Cilician Armenians, deportation had begun earlier. But Talaat, who
    was in all probability the chief mover in the expulsion of Greeks from
    Western Anatolia, who has never scrupled to lie to an Ambassador or to
    encourage pro-Turkish intrigue in the dominions of friendly Powers,
    is the chief author of these crimes. "I intend to prevent any talk
    of Armenian autonomy for 50 years" and "The Armenians are a...race;
    their disappearance would be no loss" are sayings attributed to him on
    excellent authority. He has had worthy supporters among the extremists
    of the Committee of Union and Progress, such as Mukhlis Bey, Carusso
    Effendi and his Jewish revolutionary supporters, Midhat Shukri and
    others, among officials such as the Valis of Diarbekr and Angora,
    and among the officers of gendarmerie, who, if one-tenth of the
    tales told by European and American refugees is true, have cast off
    all trace of the European training which French and British officers
    laboriously tried to instil in them and have too often become little
    better than licentious banditti.

    MASSACRE AREAS

    Eastern Anatolia, Cilicia, and the Anti-Taurus region have been the
    scene of the worst cruelties on the part of the authorities and the
    population. In many cases the massacres were absolutely unprovoked.

    Thus at Marsovan, where there is an important American college,
    the authorities early in June ordered the Armenians to meet outside
    the town. They surrounded them there and the police and an armed mob
    killed, according to the Americans, 1,200 of the younger and more
    active Armenians whom the local Committee leaders and the gendarmerie
    most feared. The richer Armenians were allowed to avoid death by
    conversion to Islam, for which doubtful privilege they paid heavily.

    The poorer in some cases begged to be allowed to deny their faith and
    thus save their families, but as they had no money they were killed, or
    exiled. The younger women were distributed among the rabble. The rest
    of the community were driven across country to Northern Mesopotamia.

    At Angora the Vali arrested the Armenian manager of the Imperial
    Ottoman Bank, who was sent away in a carriage and killed by the Vali's
    orders some miles from the town. Mukhlis Bey, a prominent member of
    the Committee of Union and Progress, then produced an order from the
    Central Executive of the Committee ordering the slaughter of the
    most prominent Armenians whether Gregorian or Catholic. The order
    was served on the Military Commandant, who refused to obey it.

    Mukhlis then armed the rabble and 683 unarmed Armenians were killed.

    Many were Catholics, whose cruel fate is known to have aroused vigorous
    protests on the part of the Vatican.

    At Bitlis and Mush a large number, according to some accounts 12,000
    Armenians, many of them women, are reported to have been shot or
    drowned. At Sivas, Kaisari, and Diarbekr there were many executions,
    and several Armenian villages are reported completely wiped out. At
    Mosul the unhappy Armenians who were brought from the north in gangs
    were set upon by the mob. Many were killed and turks and Kurds came
    from as far as the Persian border to buy the women.

    At Urfa, where the male Allied subjects formerly resident in Syria
    and one of two prisoners of war are now interned by Djemal Pasha's
    orders, the first massacre took place in the third week of August. It
    was witnessed by the some of the Allied women and children who
    recently escaped from Syria. An English girl of 10 years of age saw an
    Armenian's brains blown out and the bodies of women and children burnt
    with kerosene. Several smaller massacres followed the first outbreak,
    in which about 150 Armenians were killed. The military took no part in
    it, but left full freedom to the rabble, who slightly wounded several
    French prisoners who has been allowed to walk in the town. It is not
    surprising that the British, French, and Russian women who have escaped
    from Urķa should express the liveliest apprehensions as to the fate of
    their menfolk prisoners in what is probably the most fanatical town
    in Turkey, and the scene of the burning of about 6,000 Armenians of
    both sexes in the Cathedral during the Hamidian massacres.

    A DESPERATE RESISTANCE

    The massacred Armenians had mostly given up their arms in accordance
    with the advice of their clergy. At four widely separated places
    resistance was offered. At Shaban Karahissar in North-East Anatolia,
    the Armenians took up arms, held off the Turkish troops for some
    time, and were finally overwhelmed. Some 4,000 were believed to have
    been killed or sold - the fate of the women and children - at this
    place. At Kharput, on hearing of the intention of the authorities to
    deport them, the Armenians rose on June 3, and for a week held the
    town. They were then overpowered by troops with artillery, and were
    mostly killed. The outbreak at Zeitun seems to have taken place in
    March and to have been a very trivial affair. The Armenians of the
    town of Zeitun, though formerly a turbulent race, handed over the
    few insurgents to the Turks, hoping thus to be spared, but Fakhry
    Pasha, the author of the second Adana massacre, nevertheless killed
    a few of the townsmen on the spot, and may have drafted the rest into
    labour battalions. The women, children, and infirm were sent to Zor -
    described by a most competent authority as a "human dustbin" where
    they are reported to by dying in large numbers.

    The Armenians of Jebel Musa were ordered to quit their homes late in
    July. Believing very naturally that the Turks proposed to make away
    with them, they rose in revolt to the number of 600. Though poorly
    provided with arms, they held out for a month against about 4,000
    Turkish troops. Their losses were slight. Those of the Turks, who
    seem to have been troops of inferior quality, are said by refugees
    from Syria to have amounted to from 300 to 400. The fighting was
    ruthlessly waged. The Turks carried off some 20 Armenian women and
    children, and executed 2 prisoners before the Armenian position. The
    Armenians retaliated by executing a Turkish major, a notable who had
    plundered one of their villages, and other prisoners whom they took.

    Ammunition was running low early in September, and a massacre seemed
    inevitable when French warships and a British vessel arrived and took
    off the Armenians to the number of 4,000, mostly women and children.

    It may be noted that the only massacres reported in the Arab countries
    - namely, north of Baghdad, where about 1,000 Armenians are said
    on Armenian authority to have been killed at the end of their long
    journey from the North; and at Kebusie, in the Homs district, where
    a body of 250 Armenian deportees were killed, forcibly converted or,
    in the case of the girls, sold - were committed by the military,
    apparently Turks and Kurds.

    DEPORTATION OR STARVATION

    It remains to describe Talaat Bey's methods in detail. Massacre was
    followed by a crueller system of persecution than Abdul Hamid ever
    invented. The Red Sultan's abominations were seldom accompanied by the
    wholesale deportation of the survivors; the violation and abduction of
    women and the conversion of children, though sadly frequent in some
    places, were by no means general in the massacres of 1894-1896. Then
    the wild beast was allowed to run amok for 24 hours, and was then
    usually chained up.

    In Talaat Bey's campaign the preliminary massacre, which was sometimes
    omitted, was followed by the separation of the able-bodied men from
    their women folk. The former were drafted into labour battalions
    or simply disappeared. The women, children, and old men were next
    driven slowly across country. They were permitted to take no carts,
    baggage animals, or any large stock of provisions with them. They
    were shepherded from place to place by gendarmes, who violated some
    of the women, sold others, and robbed most. Infirm or aged folk,
    women great with child, and children were driven along till they
    dropped and died by the way. Gendarmes who returned to Alexandretta
    described with glee to Europeans how they robbed the fugitives. If
    these refused to give up their money their escort sometimes pushed
    them into streams or abandoned them in desolate places.

    A European who witnessed the exodus of some of the Armenians of
    Cilicia says that most were footsore, all looked half starved, and
    no able-bodied man could be seen among them. At Osmanic on the road
    between Aleppo and Adana they were given only 8 hours' notice by the
    town crier to make ready for their departure. The French and British
    refugees from Urfa saw the bodies of "hundreds" of women and children
    lying by the road and met another of these lamentable half-starved
    caravans. An American who accompanied a group of Armenian exiles from
    Malatia reports that the road to Urfa was marked all along its course
    by the bodies of those who had died. Travellers by the Anatolian
    Railway report that the hills near Bilejik Geive, and other stations
    in the hinterland of Brusa were crowded with Armenians from Brusa,
    Ismid, and other settlements near Constantinople, who had no shelter
    and were begging their bread. Large bodies of the exiles are said to
    have been simply led into the desert south of the Euphrates and left
    there to starve.


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    FROM THE TIMES ARCHIVES: 'THE ARMENIAN MASSACRES'

    The Times, London
    Oct 11 2007

    How The Times reported the story on Friday October 8, 1915

    >From The Times, Friday October 8, 1915
    THE ARMENIAN MASSACRES
    EXTERMINATING A RACE
    A RECORD OF HORRORS


    ......
    THE TALLEST POPPIES

    The policy which lost the Committee leaders Macedonia and is as old
    as King Tarquin, seems to have been revived by Talaat. Just who had
    been amnestied fell frequent victims to the bravi of the Committee,
    so now the Armenians who had cooperated most loyally with the Turkish
    Revolutionaries were among the first to feel the weight of Talaat's
    hand.

    Haladijian Effendi, ex-Minister of Public Works, was arrested in
    Constantinople after the discovery of an alleged Armenian plot, and in
    spite of his friendly relations with the Committee, of which he was a
    member, and his friendship with Talaat and Djavid Beys, was hurried
    into Anatolia, where he has disappeared. It is not known whether he
    is dead or alive. Garo Pasdermatjian, who took part in the attack on
    the Imperial Ottoman Bank in 1896, and was one of Talaat's intimates,
    was also arrested. So were Vartkes, as popular a member of the Turkish
    Chamber of Deputies as Pasdermatjian, Aghnuni, the very able leader
    if the Dashnakist Society in Constantinople, Zohrab Effendi, M.P for
    Constantinople, an able but unpopular lawyer, who belonged to the
    Committee Party, Vartan Papazian, and other Armenians, several of
    whom were members of Parliament.

    According to Armenian refugees from Syria, whose story is largely
    borne out by independent evidence, several of the prisoners arrived
    at Urfa in July. They were there entertained to dinner by the Chief
    of Police, who during the meal received a telegram from the Vali of
    Diarbekr bidding him send the prisoners to Diarbekr at once. They
    started before midnight, and early next morning were killed on the
    way by 'brigands'. Zohrab is known to have met his fate there, and
    it is believed that Aghuni, Vartkes, Papazian and Pasdermatiijian
    died with him. Of Aghnuni's death and that of Vartkes and Papazian
    there seems no doubt. A number of priests and at least one bishop
    wren reported executed by military courts.

    WOMEN AND CHILDREN SOLD

    Torture has been frequently used in the case of Armenian prisoners and
    suspects. The sale by Bird's police of Armenian children of both sexes
    to the keepers of disorderly houses and Turks of bad moral character
    has provoked protest in Constantinople. The object of the conversion
    of children reported from some districts and the very general sale
    of women and girls appears to be political. Foreigners believe that
    Talaat has countenanced these crimes with the object of breaking up
    the strong social structure of the Armenian community in Turkey.

    There are Turcophils who aver that the Armenians do not really object
    to such proceedings. One is reminded of a youthful and "highly
    well-born" traveller who, returning from Macedonia in the days of
    band warfare, reported as proof of Ottoman lenity that he had seen
    Slav girls dancing with Turkish irregulars. This cruel comedy had, of
    course, been arranged by an officer of gendarmerie, for the average
    Christian peasant girl in Macedonia would as soon dance with a Turk
    as an Anglo-Indian lady would consent to divert an Afghan with the
    danse du ventre. The belief that Armenians "do not mind" is a cruel
    falsehood. The Armenian woman of the country towns is nowadays often
    quite well educated and always strictly brought up, and her sufferings
    are doubtless as great as those of the average English or French
    farmer's daughter would be were she subjected to similar cruelty.

    GERMAN AND TURKISH PROTESTS

    The attempts of the American Ambassador to procure some alleviation of
    the lot of Armenians have thus far proved unsuccessful. Mr Morganthau,
    in the opinion of good observers, wasted too much diplomatic energy
    on behalf of the Zionists of Palestine, who were in no danger of
    massacre, to have any force to spare. Talaat and Bedri simply own that
    persecuting Armenians amuses them and turn a deaf ear to American
    pleadings. German and Austro-Hungarian residents in Turkey at first
    approved of the punishment of Armenian "traitors", but the methods of
    the Turkish extremists have sickened even Prussian stomachs. True the
    Jewish Baron von Oppendeim, now in Syria, has been preaching massacre,
    and the German Consular officials al Aleppo and Alexandretta have
    followed suit, perhaps with the idea of planting German colonists in
    the void left b the disappearance of the Armenians when the war is
    over. But the German Government has grown nervous. On August 31 the
    German and Austro-Hungarian Ambassadors protested to the Grand Vizier
    against the massacre of Armenians and demanded a written communication
    to the effects that neither of the Government had any connexion with
    these crimes. Turkey has not, so far, given her Allies a certificate
    of unblemished character, and the bestowal of the Ordro pour la Merite
    on Envor Pahsa by the Kaiser is not likely to give the impression
    that Germany is in earnest.

    There has been some Turkish protests against these abominations. The
    Turks of Aintab refused to permit the exile of the local Armenians.

    One of the Turkish Provincial Governors-General, who name had best
    not be mentioned lest he be transferred to another post - or world -
    has saved many exiles from starvation. Rahmi Boy, the bold Vali of
    Smyrna who has treated the interned British and French residents of the
    town right well, has repeatedly protested to the Porto against these
    crimes and has refused to hand over suspected Armenians for trial. The
    Sheikh-ul-Islam has salved his conscience by a tardy resignation,
    and Djahid and Djavid Boys have uttered plaintive protests when it
    was too late. In a few days' time Parliament will meet and Talaat
    and his colleagues will then explain and defend their Armenian policy
    to the House. One can imagine what line their defence will follow -
    the necessity of securing national unity at this critical hour,
    the importance of checking dangerous and unpatriotic agitation,
    the deplorable crimes committed by the Armenians, the sufferings
    of tortured Muslims under British and Russian rule, and much more
    rhetoric of this kind. One cannot, unfortunately, imagine the Chamber
    of Deputies refusing to vote the fullest confidence in Talaat and
    Enver. Massacres will probably cease and the Armenians to be left to
    starve quietly.

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