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    The Jerusalem Report
    October 15, 2007


    ADL SPARS WITH ARMENIANS ON U.S. GENOCIDE BILL

    by Eve Price
    THE REPORTER; Pg. 4



    The tables have been turned on the U.S.-based Anti-Defamation League,
    a nearly century-old organization known for wagging its finger at
    those accused of anti-Semitism, which is itself now facing charges of
    slighting another ethnic minority.

    Armenian-Americans in the Boston area are battling the influential
    New York-headquartered xxxish group over its reluctance to support a
    proposed Congressional resolution that would recognize the World War
    I-era expulsion and massacre of more than 1.5 million Armenians in
    Turkey as genocide.

    The Armenians have been pressing for the legislation for decades, in
    the hope of forcing Turkey to reverse its adamant refusal to
    acknowledge that any genocide of Armenians took place from 1915-1917.
    Now that they finally have a shot at winning its approval, in a vote
    expected in Congress this fall, the ADL, a powerful organization on
    whose support they have long relied, has stunned and insulted the
    Armenians by publicly objecting to the initiative, labeling it
    "counterproductive" and asserting that the Armenians should discuss
    the issue with Turkey instead.

    "Would they convene a conference to debate the Holocaust?" asked
    Anthony Barsamian, public relations chairman for the Armenian
    Assembly of America, in a comment on the ADL's position, which he
    interpreted as tantamount to asserting that the fact of the massacre
    should be up for discussion. "We in the Holocaust and genocide
    community need to be firm against any denial," Barsamian told The
    Jerusalem Report.

    The ADL seems trapped between its roles as an arbiter of xxxish
    community relations within the United States, and a representative of
    a pro-Israel lobby facing considerable pressure from both Jerusalem
    and Turkey to thwart the legislation. Turkey is a strategic ally of
    Israel, in an otherwise hostile Middle East.

    ADL national director Abraham Foxman has indicated the organization
    would be hard put to reverse its stand on the resolution. He told the
    xxxish Daily Forward in New York that the Armenians were confronting
    a problem of the past, while xxxs, and particularly their state,
    continue to live under shakier circumstances. "No Armenian lives are under threat today or in danger," Foxman maintained. "Israel is under threat and in danger, and a relationship between Israel and Turkey is
    vital and critical, so yeah, I have to weigh [that]."


    The dispute between the ADL and the Armenians has so far played out
    mainly in the greater Boston area, which is home to some 100,000
    Armenians, largely descendants of the Turkish massacre's survivors.
    (There are about 1.5 million ethnic Armenians living in the U.S.)
    Three Boston-area town councils, Newton, Belmont and Watertown, have
    responded to the ADL's position by dropping the ADL's flagship school
    campaign called "No Place for Hate," a tool used to monitor bigotry
    toward xxxs and other minority groups. Additional towns, including
    Lexington and Needham, have threatened to join the boycott.

    The Congressional motion introduced last January by a xxxish
    congressman, Adam Schiff, a Democrat from California, home to one of
    the largest U.S. Armenian communities, calls to "ensure that the
    foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate
    understanding and sensitivity" to evidence of crimes that include
    "the Armenian genocide." The resolution would have little direct
    influence over American policy toward Turkey, but the Bush
    administration has also opposed it as a potential embarrassment to
    its key NATO ally in the Middle East, whose help it often needs in
    times of crisis.

    President George Bush expressed opposition to the Armenian resolution
    after Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayypid Erdogan telephoned him to
    complain about the measure coming up for a vote in a Congressional
    committee. Bush feels the legislation would be "harmful" to U.S. ties
    with Turkey, a White House spokesman said.

    The controversy with the Armenians has driven a deep wedge between
    the ADL and other xxxish groups, many of whose leaders rushed to the
    side of the Armenians. The ADL's New England director, Andrew Tarsy,
    was fired for condemning Foxman's stand as a "morally indefensible
    position" that amounted to fighting Holocaust denial while passing on
    denying the genocide of another group. Tarsy has since been
    reinstated as part of the national ADL's efforts to gather more
    xxxish support for its position, as well as heal the rift with the
    Armenians.

    Amid the objections of xxxish leaders in Boston to the ADL's stand,
    many seem equally disturbed by the possible repercussions a boycott
    could have for the group's anti-bigotry program. Many of these
    leaders are concerned that the ADL's position could boomerang against
    the xxxish community at some point. "I totally understand, as an
    American xxx, that nothing would be worse than someone saying the
    Holocaust didn't happen," said Nancy Kaufman, executive director of
    the xxxish Community Relations Council of Greater Boston, an advocate
    of recognizing the genocide against Armenians, in remarks published
    in the Boston Globe.

    Turkey raised its voice when Foxman, in an unsuccessful bid to
    reconcile with the Armenians, issued a statement in August
    acknowledging for the first time that the ADL indeed viewed the
    killings of Armenians in Turkey some 90 years ago as a crime
    "tantamount to genocide." But the ADL's statement also antagonized
    the Armenian community by making clear that the organization
    continued to object to the proposed resolution, saying efforts to
    have the U.S. Congress decide the Turkish-Armenian dispute would be
    "counterproductive."

    Ankara has long denied that Turkey slaughtered Armenians,
    acknowledging only that many were deported during the World War I era
    and saying that those who were expelled were security threats to
    their country. Turkey's president called Israeli President Shimon
    Peres to complain about Foxman's statement, and Israel's Ambassador
    to Ankara, Pinhas Avivi, also took heat from the Turkish Foreign
    Ministry. Avivi responded that Israel was "not taking sides" in the
    dispute.

    Turkey also appealed directly to the ADL, as well as to more than a
    dozen other pro-Israel groups, in a meeting between representatives
    of these groups and Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan at the United
    Nations in late September. Erdogan told the groups he expected their
    continued support, the Turkish newspaper Zaman reported. Foxman
    assured the Turkish minister he would not back down on the ADL's
    objections to the proposed resolution, the newspaper said.

    Barsamian, the Armenian-American spokesman, said there would be a
    temporary "cooling-off period" pending the ADL's next decision on the
    issue at a meeting scheduled for November. He accused Foxman of
    "placating the Turks" and "putting practicality above morality." But,
    Barsamian added, "eventually, I think, morality has to win out."

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    I guess Armenia's neighbors to the East - Azerbaijan, just want to hang out and hug us. And, oh no, they aren't supported by Turkey or Israel or anything. Geez, how could American J-ews allow this guy to speak on their behalf. He's an embarrassment. What an esh!!!
    Between childhood, boyhood,
    adolescence
    & manhood (maturity) there
    should be sharp lines drawn w/
    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
    stories, songs & judgements

    - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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    Re: More proof ADL's Foxman is an idiot...

    What is actually encouraging is to see that a lot of decent American xxxs see the hypocrisy in the position and are turning on the ADL. Foxman needs to be squeezed. Most people, regardless of ethnicity, are sensitive to things like hypocrisy and injustice. Unfortunately, however, the Israeli leadership and influential lobby (which is made up of individuals and cannot represent all xxxs) give them a bad name by doing this sort of morally dubious stuff. Foxman will croak once the donations are really cut.

    It's really amazing to see the lobby of one historically persecuted/genocided diaspora community (the xxxs) fighting it out against the lobby of another historically persecuted/genocided diaspora community (the Armenians).

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    • #3
      Re: More proof ADL's Foxman is an idiot...

      Some would say that promoting the uniqueness of the Holocaust over other human atrocities is rooted in zionism not judaism.
      Between childhood, boyhood,
      adolescence
      & manhood (maturity) there
      should be sharp lines drawn w/
      Tests, deaths, feats, rites
      stories, songs & judgements

      - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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      • #4
        Re: More proof ADL's Foxman is an idiot...

        Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
        Some would say that promoting the uniqueness of the Holocaust over other human atrocities is rooted in zionism not judaism.
        Well, actually I have an issue with promoting genocide over other human atrocities. The gut feeling is that it is somehow worse, but is it really for the individual victims? Can we really say that the victims of the xxxish Holocaust had a worse experience, individually, than the victims of Hitler's massacres in Russia and the Ukraine? Several times more Ukrainians than xxxs were killed in the famous Babi Yar massacre. 3000 Belarussian villages were torched. Over a million Russians died in Leningrad alone. These people were killed pretty brutally too - shot, worked to death, starved to death, burned to death, etc. Many Russians, Ukrainians, and Poles also died in the camps.

        I guess genocide is "worse" in the sense that it has a unique and lasting effect on a nation's psyche, but on the individual level, I don't see that it is a worse crime than different forms of mass murder, which occur routinely in almost all wars, and are frequently perpetrated by all parties to the conflict.

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