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    Turkish Daily News
    April 26 2008


    A common enemy that is called hate


    Neither Turks nor Armenians are interested in free-thinking
    researchers, says historian Ara Sarafian, arguing that both Armenian
    and Turkish nationalists seek to prolong the animosity between the two
    peoples

    Vercihan ZiflioÄ?lu
    ISTANBUL ` Turkish Daily News


    Turkey and Armenia must together create the opportunity to secure a
    peaceful future and the current tactics of the Armenian diaspora are
    not helpful in the view of the director one of that same diaspora's
    leading think tanks. That iconoclastic view was shared by Ara
    Sarafian, who heads the London-based Gomidas Institute on the
    sidelines of a conference this week held by Bilgi University on the
    day often associated with allegations of an Armenian genocide at the
    hands of Ottoman Turks that is said to have begun on April 24,
    1915. Indeed the date is important Sarafian told the Turkish Daily
    News, as on that day, ` 220 Armenian intellectuals in Istanbul were
    arrested and were never heard of again.' But, he said, the ongoing
    campaign by the Armenian lobby to generate declarations by parliaments
    around the world, a campaign bitterly opposed by Turkey, has hardly
    produced the desired results. It is time for a new approach, he
    said. This was the message Sarafian shared at the conference,
    organized by the Human Rights Association (Ä°HD) Istanbul branch
    and held at Bilgi. And it was a theme Sarafian returned to in a
    conversation with the TDN. He said nationalists among both Armenians
    and Turks are fed by hatred and animosity. The researcher agreed that
    Armenian lobbies and committees are certainly organizing anti-Turkish
    activities, but argued it is wrong to categorize the entire Armenian
    diaspora as a single camp. Turkey's stance toward Armenians has only
    helped the efforts of these Armenian lobbies and committees, he
    said. Armenians, meanwhile, make comical claims for land that only
    serve to reinforce Turkish reluctance to engage in dialogue. `Problems
    will not be solved by people talking from their comfortable chairs in
    Los Angeles,' he said.

    `Those who accused Dink of being a Turkish agent made him a hero' On
    Armenian-Turkish journalist Hrant Dink, who was murdered by a teenage
    Turkish nationalist on Jan. 19, 2007, Sarafian noted a particular
    irony. For years, many in the Armenian diaspora accused Dink of being
    a Turkish agent for his views that development of empathy between the
    two communities was not served by genocide polemics. Now that he is
    dead, those same critics of Dink when he was alive have turned him
    into a hero. `Dink created an opportunity for Turkish-Armenian
    rapprochement but that is now lost,' he said. If the genocide issue
    was solved all these lobbies and groups would face serious hardship
    because they would have nothing to do, he said. `We have lived like
    enemies until now. From now on, we must work for peace,' said
    Sarafian, adding that the only thing separating Turks from Armenians
    was religion.


    Neither side is interested in free-thinking researchers: Sarafian said
    neither Turkish nor Armenian nationalists wanted free-thinking
    researchers, accusing some professors of Armenian origins in the
    United States of creating obstacles for German researcher Hilmar
    Kaiser and noted that some invitations for meetings were canceled at
    the last minute. `Even this interview will make me a target of some
    groups,' he said. Being a historian is mutually exclusive from being
    Armenian, he said, adding that most of his own family was lost during
    the incidents in 1915. `As a historian, my duty is to objectively seek
    the truth. In the 1990s, I conducted research in Turkey,' he
    said. However, he and Kaiser had encountered serious obstacles during
    his studies in the Prime Ministry archives, claiming that they were
    eventually barred from entering it. The Turkish press was manipulating
    the exchanges with Turkish History Foundation Chairman Yusuf
    HalaçoÄ?lu, he said. `Upon HalaçoÄ?lu's
    invitation to work together, I proposed to center our studies in
    ElazıÄ?. I asked for a list of Armenians deported from
    the province. If these people were exiled to somewhere and then
    continued their lives, there must be records. After this request,
    HalaçoÄ?lu invited me to Ankara and also told a reporter
    on CNN-Türk, `Sarafian knows well that such incidents never
    took place under the Ottomans.' After this statement, I decided to put
    a stop to the decision to work together. HalaçoÄ?lu, with
    that statement, showed his stance. As a historian, it is impossible to
    conduct an objective study.'

    Armenians accuse Ottomans of committing organized massacres of
    Armenians in 1915 that was tantamount to genocide. This week Armenia's
    new president announced the campaign to secure international
    recognition of such claims will continue. Turkey dismisses the
    allegations and argues that there were huge numbers of casualties on
    both sides and most were caused by inter-communal fighting and wartime
    conditions. To date, parliaments in some 20 countries have passed
    resolutions supporting the Armenian position. The United States and
    the United Kingdom have remained notable exceptions and refrain from
    use of the word `genocide'

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    Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

    So long as Turkey and Armenia are nations, then there is no room for "free thinking" about the genocide... Much of the creation of these respective modern nations and the lands they cover is BASED on the genocide. For one to politically receed an inch over this issue pretty much means to give up an inch of their country to the other.
    Last edited by jgk3; 04-27-2008, 09:26 AM.

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      Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

      From now on, we must work for peace,' said
      Sarafian, adding that the only thing separating Turks from Armenians
      was religion.
      I sometimes wonder, what the xxxx is going on the minds of these kinds of historians and leaders that are suppose to "represent" the Armenian side? Very very inaccurate statement, there is no similarities between Turks and Armenians. Furthermore, this guy is an idiot. How can you work towards peace when the very side you are trying work towards peace can not acknowledge past crimes? Furthermore, how can you negotiate with any entity that geopolitically invested in Azerbaijan.

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        Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

        the lands they cover is BASED on the genocide.
        1) You were not majority in anywhere Anatolia.
        2) Turks haven't fought any Armenian state in history.
        3) Neither Hittites nor Urartus were Armenian who were first known people of the region.

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          Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

          Originally posted by Selpak View Post
          1) You were not majority in anywhere Anatolia.
          2) Turks haven't fought any Armenian state in history.
          3) Neither Hittites nor Urartus were Armenian who were first known people of the region.
          What can you expect from a Turk? They basically denied a very factual genocide and now are trying to go even further by basically trying to rewrite 4 thousand years of history.

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            Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

            How could Armenians understand, or even come to terms with Turks if they have different pictures entirely when thinking of the other's origins?

            The only way we could get along is if we don't bring up our nationalities, but as soon as we do... pfft.

            My family doesn't even have the same picture of Armenian origins that I have... out of all of them, only my father has talked to me about Urartu before, and he believes in a story about how the Armens and Nairi rebelled against Urartu and usurped their state, which is not in line with my research. Tell me Selpak, is that the theory you guys learned in school too? Where do Armenians come from according to you?

            I admit that we're not exclusively descendants of Urartians, but of different peoples from ancient Eastern Anatolia and South Caucasus. We all came together over thousands of years and through exchanges of culture, eventually incorporated ourselves in an Armenian political realm with Armenian subjects. This created our nation. A great many of us may have been systematically wiped out, but those who survived, and their descendants, don't have to forget about who they are, where they came from and what happened that created this mess, and Turks resent that. I would resent it too, if I were a Turk and had all the views a Turk would have towards Armenians.

            Afterall, how would I feel if my name came from Central Asia and a bunch of Armenians and Greeks claimed my people were sitting on the bones of Christian peoples who built every aspect of my country, and claimed that my politicians are responsible for it all? How would I feel if it was outlawed to question Ataturk? Obviously, I would probably feel inclined to take whatever ego boost my politicians pump out to run a smear campaign on those Christians.

            Well, guess what, your smear campaign, in these forums, is out of context, this is not a Turkish forum, this is an Armenian forum. Expect us to ignore these ideas your country's very infrastructure dedicates itself 110% to teach you. And personally, I'd question anything, any facts that my country tries to shove down my throat through official instruction and intimidation, it doesn't matter if my country is Canada, Armenia or Turkey.

            Thing is, Armenians don't have official state structures telling them about the genocide, they have parents and grandparents. Tell me, what did your grandparents tell you about Turks and Armenians, during their youth, Selpak?
            Last edited by jgk3; 04-27-2008, 11:05 AM.

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              Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

              Originally posted by Selpak View Post
              1) You were not majority in anywhere Anatolia.
              2) Turks haven't fought any Armenian state in history.
              3) Neither Hittites nor Urartus were Armenian who were first known people of the region.

              u retarded turk, go learn some history!
              For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
              to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



              http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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              • #8
                Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

                Originally posted by Selpak View Post
                1) You were not majority in anywhere Anatolia.
                Koylu,
                Census data suggests that, before the Genocide, Armenians were a either a relative or absolute majority in Historic Armenia i.e. Eastern Anatolia.



                Originally posted by Selpak View Post
                2) Turks haven't fought any Armenian state in history.
                On many occasions, including before the Ottoman Empire and after the Armenian Genocide.



                Originally posted by Selpak View Post
                3) Neither Hittites nor Urartus were Armenian who were first known people of the region.
                Koylu,
                Armenians never claimed descending from the Hittites, as you, jurks, did - ridiculing yourself - despite the fact that it is well documented/known that
                1. You originate from the steppes of Central Asia/Siberia
                2. You speak a language that is totally unrelated to the one spoken by the Hittites.

                As for the Urartians, would Mr. Koylu humor us and explain why Armenians are not related to the Urartians?
                Last edited by Siamanto; 04-27-2008, 09:07 PM.
                What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ara Sarafian our "objective" historian

                  I'm not familiar enough with Sarafian's views, but let's keep in mind that the jurkish media cannot be considered as an objective and reliable source???? The jurks are known to distort what they're told.
                  What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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