Why Is International Recognition of Armenian Genocide Important To You?

[Hellektor]

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I am not an expert on this subject, so I believe you are saying that Turkey took part of Armenian land in early XX century? Correct?

Part? The Armenian Genocide was about TERRITORY. The delusional ideology pan-Turkism is the dogma behind the genocide which aims at the destruction of Armenia, which is viewed as a wedge between Turkey and its kin in the east.

This is why they don’t let go of Artsakh despite their miserable defeat in a war they perpetrated against Armenians for territory that has never been part of an independent fake “Azerbaijan”.

90% of historic Armenia is under Turkish occupation: the eastern half of Turkey and fake “Azerbaijan” in the east that has been counterfeited on Armenian territory in 1918 to prevent those parts of Armenia not under Ottoman occupation be liberated.

Please read my previous post on Wilsonian Armenia in this thread.

[Hellektor]

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Hey do you know what the name of the movie that had that famous Armenian actor playing as one of the soldiers when they captured Berlin?

I don't know of any such film. Those who know, please share the knowledge.

However, I suspect it must be a Soviet era production because I doubt the Jew owned Hollywood would ever allow the mention of the Armenian bravery and sacrifice in flushing Hitler down the drain of history, despite which the state of Israel categorically denies the Armenian Genocide and is spreading lies and hoaxes regarding Artsakh, supporting the Azerbaboons.

[robertik1]

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I don't know of any such film. Those who know, please share the knowledge.

However, I suspect it must be a Soviet era production because I doubt the Jew owned Hollywood would ever allow the mention of the Armenian bravery and sacrifice in flushing Hitler down the drain of history, despite which the state of Israel categorically denies the Armenian Genocide and is spreading lies and hoaxes regarding Artsakh, supporting the Azerbaboons.

Yeah I think it was a Soviet era production. It was in black and white.

[Lucin]

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No, Lucin. We actually went all the way to Berlin. But who knows... maybe if not for Marshal Bagramyan, Moscow could be captured in 1941.

Well if come true, then today, you would be talking differently here; you would have had a different attitude now... No?

Anyway, are you saying that the main goal of your push for the international recognition of Armenian Genocide is political?
I am not an expert on this subject, so I believe you are saying that Turkey took part of Armenian land in early XX century? Correct?

The Western Armenia is today the Eastern part of the so-called land of Turkey. So, yes a huge part of Armenia has been destroyed and is currently under Turkish occupation. Hellektor has provided more details in his post regarding Western Armenia and the legal steps Armenians may take when the right moment comes.

And we do not need their "apology", an "apology" or a recognition without seeing Turkey punished and our lands back is absolutely pointless…

[jgk3]

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International recognition of the Armenian genocide would put a lot of pressure on Turkey, and that aspect is useful from an Armenian's standpoint. However it can also lead to unnecessary control of people's thoughts through legislation, and I consider this to be immoral, just like in the case of Turkey where it is criminal to slander of Ataturk or Turkey, and the case of Germany and Canada where they criminalize any expression of cynicism towards the legitimacy of the facts on the holocaust.

What's important is that Armenians know about the genocide and Armenian history prior to it, we are the only people that have a natural reason to give damn about ourselves. So long as we are healthy in this respect, I don't see a problem.

[Yedtarts]

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Why Is International Recognition of Armenian Genocide Important To You?

Because that is the least we owe to our grand or grand grandparents. It is our sacred mission to let the world know how they’ve suffered

[MrHyeSev]

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Because that is the least we owe to our grand or grand grandparents. It is our sacred mission to let the world know how they’ve suffered

I Agree

[Armenian]

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Because that is the least we owe to our grand or grand grandparents. It is our sacred mission to let the world know how they’ve suffered

Yes, that is the sentimental/ethical reasoning behind our international agenda. I agree, it plays a big pyschological role. There's more. Armenian Genocide recognition pursuit also helps in maintaining Armenian identity and unity within our vast diaspora as it keeps Ankara on the defensive on the political scene. However, I'm surprised that the posters here missed a much more important reasoning behind our agenda, a serious longterm strategic aspect of our agenda.

After "recognition" the next step would be financial reparations and the return of our historic lands. Land and reparations are the major longterm strategic issues that are, in essence, complicating matters internationally - not mere recognition. As far as I'm concerned, Turks can take their recognition and shove it up their asses. I am not interested in it, I don't want it. I want the return of the wealth (land and money) they stole from us. I want revenge one way or another.

Had Ankara known that with recognition their problem with us Armenians would be over they would have officially recognized the Armenian Genocide as a historic fact decades ago and they would have officially apologized. They know well that recognition is only the 'first' step.

If you noticed, some noise was being made in Washington DC lately regarding the Armenian Republic's constitution not officially recognising Turkey's eastern borders. Several weeks ago US politician Finestein made the comments that Armenia should recognize Turkey's national borders and that Turkey should recognize the Armenian Genocide.

In short: Armenian Genocide pursuit is a longterm geostrategic agenda.

So why is recognition of Armenian Genocide by other countries and even by countries that located far away from Armenia (such as the USA or Brazil), so important to you, Armenians?

The recognition of the Armenian Genocide by various major nations around the world helps lay down the ground work for the above mentioned eventuality - land and reparations. As you can see from the various aswers above, you cannot not compare the Armenian Genocide with any other tragedy and you cannot make simplistic conclusions. Your questions here are either very naive or malicious.

[yerazhishda]

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After "recognition" the next step would be financial reparations and the return of our historic lands. Land and reparations are the major longterm strategic issues that are, in essence, complicating matters internationally - not mere recognition. As far as I'm concerned, Turks can take their recognition and shove it up their asses. I am not interested in it, I don't want it. I want the return of the wealth (land and money) they stole from us. I want revenge one way or another.

What is Turkey going to do, just hand them over? Armenia would have take it by force. Even if Armenia did take Western Armenia back, they'd now have to deal with those xxxxing Kurdish tribes and their "rightful claims" to the same area. xxxx that. I'd let it go to the Assyrians any day of the week before them.

[Armanen]

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What is Turkey going to do, just hand them over? Armenia would have take it by force. Even if Armenia did take Western Armenia back, they'd now have to deal with those xxxxing Kurdish tribes and their "rightful claims" to the same area. xxxx that. I'd let it go to the Assyrians any day of the week before them.

We should still try the legal route, however as Armenia continues to grow we must always keep in mind that our western lands must be returned either freely (don't hold your breath) or by force. Already lines are being drawn in the sand, I am of course referring to a future conflict- a major one, and I can tell you Armenia and turgay will not be on the same side. This is why it's so important to strengthen Armenia economically, politically, and militarily for when this day comes.