Stop Turkey Entering The European Union

[ahıskalı]

Do you mean that you forsake Kemalism to pursue a religious agenda?

No Kharpet of course i didn't mean forsaking Kemalism.. We have many reasons to reject joining the EU.. I told one of them. They're a christian club. Even their flag is a symbol of christianity. These guys became rich by stealing people's mony,killing them capturing their people for hundred years. Our ancestors were living in in anatolia peacefully for centuries... They ended this peaceful life. Come i told it, even my grandma was an armenian we were sons of the same culture,the same land these guys seperated us. I'm saying that these guys aren't reliable...

Also i think u r so wrong in putting Kemalism against Islam... Kemalism is based on Turkish nationality and humanity. You can see it in my signiture. And it's supporting everything which is beneficial for turkish nation...

[ahıskalı]

I disagree. I think we have experienced how strong the sense of ummet was when Arabs sold us out to English . Dont get me wrong I am not defending EU in terms of ethics. But at least we know they are not our friends in the game. EU is an option that have alternatives, we may be in or not. But an alliance in terms of religion seems impossible to me..

Elendil read it again please did i support the ummet union or PanIslamism. As i said, it's a reason to not to join the EU for us.. Also if we should be in a union power, it should be the great Turan Union

[elendil]

Elendil read it again please did i support the ummet union or PanIslamism. As i said, it's a reason to not to join the EU for us.. Also if we should be in a union power, it should be the great Turan Union

Yes you are right I overreacted ..
Ofcourse if there can be a union between Turkic republics that would be the best . But I think forming such a parallalism between the present relations of people and goverments will take a long period of time. So EU seems to me as a good partner until that time comes, dont you think?

[Gavur]

I have an idea give us western Armenia and we'll let you join your cousins in Asia!
Also can the lost sons of all the Armenian mothers ever be one again?

[Kharpert]

ahıskalı, I am quite certain Kemalism is a form of nationalism that does not support religion in politics. What I mean is, it is not politically savvy for Turkey to pass up an opportunity to form an alliance with Europe because of religious preferences. Also, the concept of ethics should not be a factor in Turkey's ascension to the EU, because every last nation on Earth has a history of ethical and civil disputes, and that includes Turkey as well as all the nations of Europe.

Either way, I think the E.U. is doomed. It's eventually going to filter down to perhaps a weak economic alliance and become less of a political influence than the U.N.

[ahıskalı]

Yes you are right I overreacted ..
Ofcourse if there can be a union between Turkic republics that would be the best . But I think forming such a parallalism between the present relations of people and goverments will take a long period of time. So EU seems to me as a good partner until that time comes, dont you think?

Yes you're right. But a partnership between Turkey and EU cannot live long. When the negotiations start they will order us what they want. They will say leave the Cyprus,recognize the genocide,maybe after these give the kurds a federation etc... But if we know where to stop, to say NO, there's no danger for us.. But i'm afraid of somebody who're blind to see these, fell in love with EU and don't know how to say no to these guys...

[ahıskalı]

ahıskalı, I am quite certain Kemalism is a form of nationalism that does not support religion in politics. What I mean is, it is not politically savvy for Turkey to pass up an opportunity to form an alliance with Europe because of religious preferences. Also, the concept of ethics should not be a factor in Turkey's ascension to the EU, because every last nation on Earth has a history of ethical and civil disputes, and that includes Turkey as well as all the nations of Europe.

Either way, I think the E.U. is doomed. It's eventually going to filter down to perhaps a weak economic alliance and become less of a .. Come on.. they are defending the leader of the terrorist PKK or political influence than the U.N.

Kharpet, as i said before they will interfere our job more than now. I mean they're allways supporting Turkish enemies. They say the human rights. Come on.. They are supporting the leader of the terrorist PKK or Fehriye Erdal saying that her weapon was half automatic, so she is not terrorist. Our prime minister Mr.Erdoğan was put in the jail and he applied to the EU human rigths organisation or anything else i don't know it's full name But it didn't interest them. Come on why did we start o fight in 1900s?? Who lost after this?? Well both sides lost many people in this war. Today these countries are continueing to lose... Turkey is being isolated from many international organisations and also Armenia with a little population is losing because the borders are closed trade routes aren't being used.... Who is gaining from this problem?? Of course europeans they're playing with us....

[ahıskalı]

and u see the religion is only one of the problems joining the EU

[Kharpert]

I see your point, ahıskalı.

Even so, if Turkey was to turn down acceptance in the E.U., it would be very dangerous for them to ally with the rest of the Middle East (Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc.) because that would make them instant enemies of the West.

In terms of Armenia, Turkey's ascenscion into the E.U. is actually better for Armenia because of increased trade benefits and other rights. That's why Armenia supports Turkey's ascencion into the E.U.

[ahıskalı]

Yeah i see