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  • Armenian Conference in Istanbul & Turkish Researcher in Yerivan

    Yektan Turkyilmaz is not a familiar name for most of the Turks, but known by Diaspora because of his study in Armenian Archives.

    Diaspora used his name to show Armenian archives are open and transparent but that is not the case for Turkish archives.

    Mr. Turkyilmaz today arrested in Erivan for smuggling information from Armenia.

    Armenian officials stated that the books older than 50 years are subject for permission from Armenian officials.

    His research focused on early 20th century Armenian political parties, a book was related to that topic was among the books that was confiscated.


    Armenian diaspora and Tashnak Parties are especially give a very limited permission to few researchers about (who can get approval by officials)1915 and pre 1915 documents in Yerevan and Boston.


    Armenian Diaspora and Tashnak representatives accused Turkey of hindering Conference on 1915 events, a scientific approach.
    The conference will take place in a near future and the Turkish parliment member and member of governing AKP party who recently visited Armenia will speak in that conference.

  • #2
    You really don't seem to place the blame on the theif, its everyone else... the Turkish way... never put responsibility where it belongs...

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    • #3
      Such laws exist even here in Canada. At least the guy had full access to the records, one can't say the same for those attempting to research Ottoman archives.

      Tashnak records owned by private societies are not in the regulation of state archives. Don't shout terms and words to play the smart. You have no clue of what you're talking about.

      Originally posted by Bugra
      Yektan Turkyilmaz is not a familiar name for most of the Turks, but known by Diaspora because of his study in Armenian Archives.

      Diaspora used his name to show Armenian archives are open and transparent but that is not the case for Turkish archives.

      Mr. Turkyilmaz today arrested in Erivan for smuggling information from Armenia.

      Armenian officials stated that the books older than 50 years are subject for permission from Armenian officials.

      His research focused on early 20th century Armenian political parties, a book was related to that topic was among the books that was confiscated.


      Armenian diaspora and Tashnak Parties are especially give a very limited permission to few researchers about (who can get approval by officials)1915 and pre 1915 documents in Yerevan and Boston.


      Armenian Diaspora and Tashnak representatives accused Turkey of hindering Conference on 1915 events, a scientific approach.
      The conference will take place in a near future and the Turkish parliment member and member of governing AKP party who recently visited Armenia will speak in that conference.

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      • #4
        This is the news don't misrepresent it Bugra:

        Researcher Yektan Turkyilmaz has been detained at the airport in Yerevan on charges of trying to smuggle antique books out of the country. Turkyilmaz is being accused of trying to smuggle covertly out of Armenia books dating from between the 17th and 20th centuries.
        The Turkish man was free to work on our archives for as long as he wanted but he decided to MOVE them OUT of the country! I don't know about you, but to me (and any reader with common sense) this sounds more like his attempt was to destroy evidence! I mean, he was free to research and study our archives, but why did he have to try to smuggle antique books out of the country? (come on, don't tell me he was going to return them and that he was more comfortable studdying them in his own living room while drinking Turkish coffee lol)


        I'm gonna repeat what Hovik said... How can you people be so retarded and not see what is happening here????????????

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pathfinder
          This is the news don't misrepresent it Bugra:



          The Turkish man was free to work on our archives for as long as he wanted but he decided to MOVE them OUT of the country! I don't know about you, but to me (and any reader with common sense) this sounds more like his attempt was to destroy evidence! I mean, he was free to research and study our archives, but why did he have to try to smuggle antique books out of the country? (come on, don't tell me he was going to return them and that he was more comfortable studdying them in his own living room while drinking Turkish coffee lol)


          I'm gonna repeat what Hovik said... How can you people be so retarded and not see what is happening here????????????
          I don't believe he had bad intentions, this researcher seemed very sympatic to the Armenian causes first. We don't know if those books were handwritten book records, or simply rare books he was able to buy or something.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fadix
            I don't believe he had bad intentions, this researcher seemed very sympatic to the Armenian causes first. We don't know if those books were handwritten book records, or simply rare books he was able to buy or something.
            Nah, he wouldn't have been arrested for smuggling regular books out of the country. It smells fishy.

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            • #7
              Fishy

              Why should a researcher on such a hot topic would like to danger his academic integrity for smuggling books?

              It should be very well known what kind of books he was studying during his stay. I am sure he is pretty much sure that as a researcher of Turkish origin he was aware that he had the eyes over him all the time.
              The diaspora used his name to show that Armenia has open archives only the Turks are hiding their archives. Probably they were expecting Yektan to be younger Taner Akcam.
              But his research focuses on a very thorny issue, which is the Armenian nationalist movements in the last decades of Ottoman state and Armenian political parties at that period.

              Definitely this study will eventually point out the facts how this political parties and movements were in touch with outsides powers such as Russia, Britain and France. Their letter correspondance etc etc.

              If there is nothing to hide with those correspondences why not make it public? Especially I would like to know the Tashnak relations with European countries and Russia. If there is nothing wrong with it make it public, am I wrong?


              This Turkish research was in Diaspora web sites for long time, and I was really interested inhis studies. He is pretty much aware that not only Armenian officials but also Diaspora groups were following his steps since the beginning, as I said I had learned his name from Diaspora resources not of Turkish resources.. Do you think he is stupid to be a smuggler?


              Originally posted by pathfinder
              Nah, he wouldn't have been arrested for smuggling regular books out of the country. It smells fishy.

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              • #8
                This is the first person as a Turkish researcher and Armenian speaking one, to conduct research in Armenia. He should be very stupid to smuggle books. He could eventually be arrested back in USA, there is no escape if he really did smuggle on intention valuable hand written books. He might be lured to buy those books.

                As I said before he is not an ordinary person, he is fully aware that every eye was on him.

                Originally posted by Fadix
                I don't believe he had bad intentions, this researcher seemed very sympatic to the Armenian causes first. We don't know if those books were handwritten book records, or simply rare books he was able to buy or something.

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                • #9
                  Meesage is Clear

                  The message is clear.

                  he is probably be freed in near future, I am pretty much sure about that.
                  I do not believe he will be prisoned for 5 years(as it is said by Armenian officials)

                  To him the message is clear: Dont come back again if you will not conduct your research in the way we like it to be.

                  To other researchers: You are not welcomed if you would not say the things that we say.


                  Originally posted by pathfinder
                  This is the news don't misrepresent it Bugra:



                  The Turkish man was free to work on our archives for as long as he wanted but he decided to MOVE them OUT of the country! I don't know about you, but to me (and any reader with common sense) this sounds more like his attempt was to destroy evidence! I mean, he was free to research and study our archives, but why did he have to try to smuggle antique books out of the country? (come on, don't tell me he was going to return them and that he was more comfortable studdying them in his own living room while drinking Turkish coffee lol)


                  I'm gonna repeat what Hovik said... How can you people be so retarded and not see what is happening here????????????

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                  • #10
                    Obviously they (the Armenian officials) had a disappointment with him.

                    They were expecting him to be the next young Taner Akcam. That was not the case.

                    You will see in near future that he will be freed. The message is clear dont come back again, you will be prisoned.



                    Originally posted by pathfinder
                    Nah, he wouldn't have been arrested for smuggling regular books out of the country. It smells fishy.

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