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  • #11
    tongue..u really know nothing about history...persian empire is composed of iranians and turks..still about 25% of iranian population is turkish...those who were living in yerevan were either turks or kurds but not persians

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Tongue
      When was this? Definitely not recently. I also never heard of this before... I would really appreciate if it you could find a website or something that mentions it. Anyhow, if it happened right after the genocide, most of the people were dead so I suppose the government expected their souls or their little orphan kids (if alive and Armenian!!) to go back and reclaim property. Besides, it's obvious the survivors, after going through what they had been through and seeing what they saw, wouldn't even consider the thought of going back to that hell-land for money.
      Probably in the first years of Turkish Republic. As I said before I read it from newspaper said by Mr. Dink. There is a probibility that I might misunderstand him but I think, not. I don'T want to be a liar. It may be asked to Mr. Dink because I am not able to show a source.

      You shouldn't think of it as a reasonable thing. Maybe it was for show only. I suppose Turkish goverment didn't hope that alive Armenians would turn back and reclaim their property.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by mustafa mert
        tongue..u really know nothing about history...persian empire is composed of iranians and turks..still about 25% of iranian population is turkish...those who were living in yerevan were either turks or kurds but not persians
        Don't teach me about nationalities in Iran. I'm fully aware of the fact that the north-western part of the country is populated with Iranians of azeri origin. I said Yerevan was never a turkish city, and I meant yerevan was never a turkish city. I said Armenians and Persians lived in yerevan not turks and I meant Armeians and persians lived in yerevan not turks. And by persian, I meant persian (like that wasn't obvious) the aryans, not azerbaijani or turkish turks.

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        • #14
          Hey BUG, in the mean time, why don't you go ask your buddy Mustafa where he got "25%" from, and make sure he posts proof in the forum for everyone to see! You wouldn't want to be known as someone who holds others to double standards would you???

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Hovik
            Hey BUG, in the mean time, why don't you go ask your buddy Mustafa where he got "25%" from, and make sure he posts proof in the forum for everyone to see! You wouldn't want to be known as someone who holds others to double standards would you???
            1) Obviously a banned member cannot post proof or anything else!

            2) It is a well known and undisputed (by Turks, Iranians, Azeris, Islamists etc...) fact that more than a quarter of Iran's population is Azeri/Turkish

            Still, here is some proof:

            CIA.gov 404
            http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html

            404
            http://www.hsbc.com.hk/hk/bps/irn/irn_ginfo.htm

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            • #16
              I think I was not quite following that, could you refer me his posting?

              Originally posted by Hovik
              Hey BUG, in the mean time, why don't you go ask your buddy Mustafa where he got "25%" from, and make sure he posts proof in the forum for everyone to see! You wouldn't want to be known as someone who holds others to double standards would you???

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              • #17
                Turks in Iran

                I do not have quite official numbers.

                As far as I know you can easily find a person speaking Turkish in the streets of Tahran.
                Including the Turkmens in and around Eastern border, the total Turkic origin population makes Aroun 1/3 of total Iranian population.

                YOu can ask this specific information to Hellektor, since he is from that country.


                Just to give an example to you, Hashimi Rafsanjani (ex president) is an Azeri.

                The Persian Empires that Tongue was talking about significantly led by Turkic origin rulers. LIke Uzun Hasan(tall Hasan), Shah Ismail etc etc.

                The funny thing is Armenians insisting that there had never been a significant Turkish existence in Yerevan and Armenia.

                (I wonder where this sweet/delight named "Revani" in Turkish kitchen means Erivanian comes from. From Turks of Erivan or Armenians of Anatolia)

                Originally posted by matteo
                1) Obviously a banned member cannot post proof or anything else!

                2) It is a well known and undisputed (by Turks, Iranians, Azeris, Islamists etc...) fact that more than a quarter of Iran's population is Azeri/Turkish

                Still, here is some proof:

                CIA.gov 404
                http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html

                http://www.hsbc.com.hk/hk/bps/irn/irn_ginfo.htm

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                • #18
                  [QUOTE=Bugra]I

                  The Persian Empire does not stand for ethnically Persian empire. Since the Seljuki time, Persians and Turks lived side by side, built empires togather. As I stated above Turks led major periods of Persian Empires. According to Tongue's way of thinking that empire was a Persian state and there couldnt be any Turk in Erivan during Persian period. The Farisi or Persian people lived central and eastern part of the empire, Turk/Azeri origin people west and north part of the empire.

                  And one more thing, more Azeris live in Iran than Azerbeyjan

                  An additional detail, Azeris of Turkey live in Erzurum, Karsi, Igdir, along with the Armenian border, and a significant Azeri population lives in Georgia, which shows how Azeris whose origin is of contemporary Armenian lands pushed out by Armenians.

                  QUOTE]

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                  • #19
                    This may not be related but im curious why do the iranians know one kind of turk and thats Azeris and why are they a national joke (they call them donkeys) any one know?
                    "All truth passes through three stages:
                    First, it is ridiculed;
                    Second, it is violently opposed; and
                    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                    • #20
                      We should also hope that Kelbajar remains a part of Karabagh and is not given as hush territory to Azerbaijan - as its Armenian historical sites including Churches and Cemetaries can only be guaranteed to be preserved as a part of Karabakh's homeland - where it belongs.

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