The Key Distortions and Falsehoods in the Denial of the Armenian Genocide

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The Key Distortions and Falsehoods in the Denial of the Armenian Genocide 10

About Genocide Denial,
by Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish Studies at Emory University, a statement from Concerned Writers and Scholars

About the moral issue of genocide denial, the country's leading scholar on Holocaust and genocide denial, Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish Studies at Emory University, has written in conjunction with a dozen other leading genocide scholars and intellectuals:
Denial of genocide--whether that of the Turks against Armenians or the Nazis against Jews--is not an act of historical reinterpretation. Rather, it sows confusion by appearing to be engaged in a genuine scholarly effort. Those who deny genocide always dismiss the abundance of documents and testimony as contrived or coerced, or as forgeries and falsehoods. Free speech does not guarantee the deniers the right to be treated as the "other" side of a legitimate debate when there is no credible "other side;" nor does it guarantee the deniers space in the classroom or curriculum, or in any other forum.

Genocide denial is an insidious form of intellectual and moral degradation and a violation of what a university represents.
Denial of genocide strives to reshape history in order to demonize the victims and rehabilitate the perpetrators. Denial of genocide is the final stage of genocide; it is what Elie Wiesel has called a "double killing." Denial murders the dignity of the survivors and seeks to destroy the remembrance of the crime.
William Styron, Writer; Arthur Miller, Writer; Susan Sontag, Writer; Yehuda Bauer, Professor of Holocaust Studies, Hebrew University; Robert N, Bellah, Elliot Professor of Sociology, University of California, Berkeley; Jean Bethke Elshtain, Rockefeller Professor of Social and Political Ethics, University of Chicago Divinity School; Robert Jay Lifton, Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry and Psychology, CUNY Graduate Center; Roger Smith, Professor of Government and President of the Association of Genocide Scholars.
from A Statement by Concerned Writers and Scholars, 1996.

Association of Genocide Scholars
Department of Government
College of William and Mary
Williamsburg, Virginia 23187-8795 USA
757/221-3038, Fax 757/221-1868

Executive Board
Roger W. Smith, President
Frank Chalk, Vice President
Jack Nusen Porter, Vice President
Steven L. Jacobs, Treasurer
The Armenian Genocide Resolution Unanimously Passed By The Association of Genocide Scholars of North America
The Armenian Genocide Resolution was unanimously passed at the Association of Genocide Scholars' conference in Montreal on June 13, 1997.

Resolution

That this assembly of the Association of Genocide Scholars in its conference held in Montreal, June 11-13, 1997, reaffirms that the mass murder of over a million Armenians in Turkey in 1915 is a case of genocide which conforms to the statutes of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide. It further condemns the denial of the Armenian Genocide by the Turkish government and its official and unofficial agents and supporters.
Among the prominent scholars who supported the resolution were: Roger W. Smith (College of William & Mary; President of AGS); Israel Charny (Hebrew University, Jerusalem); Helen Fein, Past President AGS); Frank Chalk (Concordia University, Montreal); Ben Kiernan (Yale University); Anthony Oberschall (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill); Mark Levene (Warwick University, UK); Rhoda Howard (McMaster University, Canada), Michael Freeman (Essex University, UK), Gunnar Heinsohn (Bremen University, Germany)
The Association of Genocide scholars is an international, inter-disciplinary, non-partisan organization dedicated to the understanding and prevention of Genocide. The Association is an affiliate of The Institute For the Study of Genocide, New York, Dr. Helen Fein, Executive Director.

[hahkp1975]

good post!

[Yerevantsi]

Very good post!!!

[Mika]

Azeris' true origin

We should always talk about Azeris' real origin.
They say that Nizami is azeri writer but he never wrote anything in azeri because in his time there was no azeri. He was Persian.
Azeris came to the place they call now azerbaijan from Kazakhstan and their Turkic language gives them out.
So we just need to prove the truth and azeris need to prove their lies. The latter one is impossible.

[Joseph]

HAHA IM JUST LAUGHING U JEALOUS ARMENIANS...WHAT DO U THI?NK ABT TURKISH GENOCIDE??* tH?s is really bullxxxx...U killed us first u killed thousands of turks now u are talking genocide...Why doesnt anybody talk about 2nd world war????

Yes over 1.5 million Armenian, mostly women, chidren and elderly rose up in revolt against the peaceful Turks. If you truly believe this than what you are saying is that you do not believe in your own people's martial/military capabilities.

[ozdemir]

I decided to copy/paste an article for a change. It is prepared by the Zoryan Institue and it deals with the infamous Q/A, spread all over the Web on Turkish hate sites. I was thinking of dealing with the Q/A, but this article, which is more authoritative came to my help.
I suggest that the moderator promote it to a sticky if possible, otherwise please add a link to this article under the forum rules for the denialists to read before bringing their regurgitated garbage to this website.

I think you'll find that the Armenian Claim's have finally 'awoken a giant' ..the broader Turkish communities are getting tired of the allegations and we will now witness a solid debate on this matter going forward. Evidence will be demanded and vigorously tested. The results should be interesting.

[HayerMiacek]

I think you'll find that the Armenian Claim's have finally 'awoken a giant' ..the broader Turkish communities are getting tired of the allegations and we will now witness a solid debate on this matter going forward. Evidence will be demanded and vigorously tested. The results should be interesting.

I think it is time for this clown to go

A giant? Remember my friend no matter how hard your "giant" tries, no matter what kind of lies it tells, no matter how much money it spends to silence us, the TRUTH will always come out, remember that!

As for your Turkish community, of which the whole Europe is fed up with (I hear more and more stories how Turks rape, kill, rob people there), so keep doing that and you will succeed

[TurQ]

This is where the natinalist diasporan rhetoric fails, and blind themselves.
Living in the land of gossips far from reality.

As for your Turkish community, of which the whole Europe is fed up with (I hear more and more stories how Turks rape, kill, rob people there), so keep doing that and you will succeed

[imported_VARTAN]

This is just one incident...there are many more

This is where the natinalist diasporan rhetoric fails, and blind themselves.
Living in the land of gossips far from reality.

Double rapist jailed for 14 years

Haci Tasan would grab his victims by the throat
A man convicted of raping a teenager and a 64-year-old grandmother has been sentenced to 14 years in jail.
Haci Tasan, 32, a Turkish asylum seeker of no fixed address, first struck in April 2003 as his elder victim walked to work in Edmonton, north London.

Eight months later he targeted a 19-year-old woman in the same area as she walked home from work, in what the judge called "a campaign of rape".

Tasan had admitted five counts of rape at Harrow Crown Court in September.

'Appalling offences'

He admitted two counts of rape and indecent assault against the 64-year-old on 4 April, 2004, in Langhedge Lane, Edmonton.

And he also admitted three counts of rape against the 19-year-old woman on 23 December, 2004, in Fore Street, Edmonton.

Tasan had been living in a local authority flat less than half a mile away from where the attacks took place.

The two women involved were incredibly brave and continue to recover from their terrible ordeal

Det Insp Lloyd Gardner

He was sentenced to 14 years for each of the five counts of rape, and five years for the indecent assault - the sentences are to be served concurrently.

"The circumstances of these attacks clearly demonstrate you had begun a campaign of rape that would not stop unless you were identified," said Judge Susan Tapping.

"You have committed the most serious and appalling offences."

After the first attack officers made several appeals for information, including an appeal on the BBC's Crimewatch UK, and also offered a £10,000 Crimestoppers reward for further information.

They became aware that Tasan had fled to Switzerland without any documentation, and with the help of Swiss authorities were able to bring home back to the UK.

'Fear in community'

Det Insp Lloyd Gardner, who led the investigation for Operation Sapphire at Winchmore Hill police station, said he had no doubt Tasan "would have gone on to attack using even more violence had he not been caught".

"Haci Tasan generated fear within the local community following these horrific attacks," he said.

"The two women involved were incredibly brave and continue to recover from their terrible ordeal."

In the second attack, Tasan had grabbed his victim by the throat, dragged her into a service road behind a row of shops and assaulted her.

Her ordeal lasted for 30 minutes until she managed to escape and raise the alarm.

[TurQ]

You just insist on proving me.

Your post can just be a response to the claim "There's no rapist among Turks". You insist on failing logic, that just because of your bias and hatred. I dont know you in person but the failure in logic can only stem out of hatred nothing else. Well you guys explain yourselves better than I am.

Double rapist jailed for 14 years

Haci Tasan would grab his victims by the throat
A man convicted of raping a teenager and a 64-year-old grandmother has been sentenced to 14 years in jail.
Haci Tasan, 32, a Turkish asylum seeker of no fixed address, first struck in April 2003 as his elder victim walked to work in Edmonton, north London.

Eight months later he targeted a 19-year-old woman in the same area as she walked home from work, in what the judge called "a campaign of rape".

Tasan had admitted five counts of rape at Harrow Crown Court in September.

'Appalling offences'

He admitted two counts of rape and indecent assault against the 64-year-old on 4 April, 2004, in Langhedge Lane, Edmonton.

And he also admitted three counts of rape against the 19-year-old woman on 23 December, 2004, in Fore Street, Edmonton.

Tasan had been living in a local authority flat less than half a mile away from where the attacks took place.

The two women involved were incredibly brave and continue to recover from their terrible ordeal

Det Insp Lloyd Gardner

He was sentenced to 14 years for each of the five counts of rape, and five years for the indecent assault - the sentences are to be served concurrently.

"The circumstances of these attacks clearly demonstrate you had begun a campaign of rape that would not stop unless you were identified," said Judge Susan Tapping.

"You have committed the most serious and appalling offences."

After the first attack officers made several appeals for information, including an appeal on the BBC's Crimewatch UK, and also offered a £10,000 Crimestoppers reward for further information.

They became aware that Tasan had fled to Switzerland without any documentation, and with the help of Swiss authorities were able to bring home back to the UK.

'Fear in community'

Det Insp Lloyd Gardner, who led the investigation for Operation Sapphire at Winchmore Hill police station, said he had no doubt Tasan "would have gone on to attack using even more violence had he not been caught".

"Haci Tasan generated fear within the local community following these horrific attacks," he said.

"The two women involved were incredibly brave and continue to recover from their terrible ordeal."

In the second attack, Tasan had grabbed his victim by the throat, dragged her into a service road behind a row of shops and assaulted her.

Her ordeal lasted for 30 minutes until she managed to escape and raise the alarm.