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  • You dont get it
    I'm proud of the big Armenian women
    Trying to point out they were some Armenian women in harems
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • Here's the whole story!

      As an infant Ibrahim "The Mad" (1616-1648) had been locked up in the Cage and ever since he had been living in fear of death. The Sultans Osman II (1604-1622) and Murad IV (1612-1640) had executed all their brothers - except Ibrahim. In 1640 Murad actually ordered Ibrahim's death on his deathbed, because he thought it better for the dynasty to end rather than continue with 'insane seed'. But their mother, Sultana Kösem, intervened. Nevertheless, when a crowd tried to enter the Cage to proclaim him Sultan, Ibrahim was so terrified that he barred the door. He was convinced that his cruel brother was playing a trick to torment him and refused to come out until his brother's corpse had been brought before him. Even then his mother had to "coax him out as if cajoling a frightened kitten with food". When he had finally left the Cage, Ibrahim began dancing through the harem, while screaming: "The butcher of the Empire is dead!".

      Seeking compensation for his lost years, 23-year-old Ibrahim indulged in an urge for debauchery. Sultana Kösem was happy to reign in her son's place, so she took care of an endless supply of virgins and fat women for his pleasure. Ibrahim was frequently impotent so his mother supplied him with aphrodisiacs, too. Ibrahim preferred women he could not have and found it difficult to make love to slave-girls, who were not in a position to refuse him anything. Dimitri Cantemir of Moldavia wrote: "In the palace gardens he frequently assembled all the virgins, made them strip themselves naked, and neighing like a stallion ran amongst them and as it were ravished one or the other, kicking or struggling by his order". When Ibrahim met the beautiful daughter of the grand mufti, Turkey's highest religious leader, he asked him for her hand in marriage. The mufti, aware of the debaucheries in the harem, advised his daughter to refuse the proposal. Ibrahim was enraged and had the girl followed and kidnapped. He ravaged her for a couple of days and then sent her back to her father. Another time Ibrahim treatened to stuff his Grand Vezir with straw unless he recovered presents given by previous Sultans to the shrine at Medina.

      In 1641 one of Ibrahim's concubines, Turhan Hadice (1627-1682), gave birth to his first son, Prince Mehmed (1642-1687). Shortly before the birth, Ibrahim acquired a slave girl who accidentally happened to be pregnant. After the birth she was employed as a wet nurse for the little Prince and so she moved into the Royal harem with her own son. The Sultan was so taken with the healthy and robust little boy - a contrast with his own fragile and sickly son - that he spent a lot of time with him. When Turhan Hadice complained, Ibrahim had one of his rages; he tore his son from his mother's arms and threw him into the pool. Luckily, Mehmed survived. Three months after Mehmed's birth another concubine gave birth to Ibrahim's second son, Süleyman (1642-1691). More sons soon followed. In 1645 Ibrahim betrothed his 3-year old daughter Fatima to Kapudan Yusuf Pasha *, but he had him executed within a year.

      The shops of jewellers and European merchants were pillaged to satisfy Ibrahim's whims and tastes of the moment. Ibrahim used to drench his beard, clothes and room hangings with perfumes, especially the exotic ambergris. He had a fetish for furs: his clothes, curtains and walls were all decorated with fur. His pillows were stuffed with it and he had a preference for making love on sable skins. Ibrahim collected books expressing the various ways of coition and he was said to have invented some new and previously unknown positions himself. Once, Ibrahim happened to see the private parts of a wild young cow and according to Cantemir, "he sent the shape of them in gold all over the Empire with orders to make enquiries whether a woman made in just that manner could be found for his lust". A woman fitting the description was found in Armenia and she was received into the harem. Her name was Sechir Para ("Sugar Cube") and she weighed around 150 kilograms. Ibrahim became madly infatuated with her.

      One day Sechir Para told Ibrahim about a rumour that one of his concubines was "compromised by an outsider", but she didn't know any details, like the girl's name. Ibrahim promptly raged for three days. When his son Mehmed made a joke that Ibrahim didn't like, he took his dagger and thrust it in his little son's face. Mehmed was to carry the resulting scar on his forehead until the end of his life. The chief black eunuch, the most powerful man after the Grand Vezir, tried to find the identity of the concubine by torturing some of the harem girls, but he was not provided with a name. Then Ibrahim decided to have his entire harem of 280 women thrown into the Bosporus, tied up in weighted sacks. Sechir Para and Turhan Hadice were spared. Only one other girl survived, because her sack had not been sufficiently tied up. She was dragged out of the water by the crew of a French ship. Eventually Sultana Kösem became jealous of Sechir Para's influence and one day she invited the woman to dinner and had her strangled. She told the inconsolable Ibrahim that the woman "had died suddenly of a powerful illness".

      In the provinces the custodians of public property turned into feudal lords. Offices were sold to the highest bidder or given to favourites, taxes were increased and every resource possible was drained to supply the demands of the Sultan's excesses. Ibrahim was indifferent to the chaotic situation in his country and his insane behaviour alienated all political fractions. But the birth of his sons had made Ibrahim replaceable. In 1648 the Janissaries revolted because they were paid poorly or not at all. They cut up the body of the Grand Vezir and sold it in the street. Then the grand mufti decided to take revenge for the deflowering of his daughter by sanctioning a coup. When Ibrahim asked him: "Did I not appoint you to this high office?", he replied: "No, God appointed me." Thus Ibrahim was deposed and put back in the Cage. Confined once again, he became a raving lunatic. Despite the thick walls, his cries could be heard day and night. A week after losing his throne, the executioners entered the cage. With the Koran in his hand, Ibrahim cried out: "Behold! God's book! By what writ shall you murder me?" and "Is there no one among those who have eaten my bread who will take pity on me and protect me? These cruel men have come to kill me. Mercy! Mercy!" Nevertheless, he was strangled with a bowstring and buried in the Haghia Sophia Mosque beside Mad Mustafa.



      Abdülkadir Dedeoglu claims that Ibrahim was by no means out of his mind and that the rumours about his insanity were spread by his assassins in an attempt to justify their deeds. Still, Ibrahim was an eccentric and his liability to sudden bouts of intense violence and his boundless indulgence in debauchery indicate that he suffered from some kind of personality disorder. He spent his childhood and adolescent life in solitary confinement in the Cage, while his brothers Osman II, Mehmed, Süleyman and Bayezid met violent deaths. Growing up in fear of death will surely have marked his personality. In addition, Ibrahim suffered from chronic headaches all his life.



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      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • Originally posted by Gavur
        Well except the sultan I forget his name the crazy one!
        Once saw a young calfs vagina and got aroused and ordered his man to search the countryside to find a woman that posseses such vagina,eventually one is found in Armenia!
        This 300+ pound woman (LOL)is brought to him and becomes his favorite woman and confidant who starts influencing state desicions to a point she gets assasinated by jealous rivals in the harem.
        I think she was called Shekerzade (Sweetness)
        Read about that in the Peter the Great book by Robert Massie when I was in high school
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • Armenian Boxer Beats Turk To Win Tournament In Prague

          Yerevan, April 25, Armenpress: Armenian boxer, Andranik Hakobian, from Etchmiadzin (75 kg) beat all his rivals at an international tournament in the Czech Republic to snatch away the gold medal.
          In the decisive battle he beat a German boxer of Turkish origin A. Baran upsetting before that a boxer from Belarus. Another Armenian boxer, Hovhannes Danielian from Yerevan (48 kg) won the bronze medal.
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • Karen Mnatsakanyan Became The European Champion

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            [08:54 pm] 27 April, 2006

            Karen Mnatsakanyan (60kg) became the European champion in the wrestling
            of Greek - Roman style held in Moscow. The Armenian wrestler beat
            his Georgian rival David Bedinadze in the finals with the overall
            3:0 and became the European champion for the 3rd time.

            Karen Mnatsakanyan had significant advantage over his Georgian
            rival. The Armenian sportsman beat Azeri wrestler Faud Aliev before
            moving on to the finals.

            By the way, Karine Shadoyan (72kg) won a bronze medal for Armenia in
            the women tournament.
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            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

            Comment


            • Originally posted by yigitp91
              Stop Messin Wit Turks Ok...because U Killed A Lot Of Turks And It Makes Me Angry.. Im Now Wondering If Those Armenians Are Dead Or Not??
              We really should "stop messin wit Turks". They would never hurt anyone.
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • Originally posted by Joseph
                We really should "stop messin wit Turks". They would never hurt anyone.
                Also, we should remember that the Turks are the only people in the world allowed to be nationalist.
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                • Originally posted by Joseph
                  Also, we should remember that the Turks are the only people in the world allowed to be nationalist.
                  Sydney MX (Australia)
                  May 4, 2006 Thursday
                  SYD Edition

                  TAKE IT ON DARCHINYAN

                  So good is Australia's latest boxing import that his rivals are
                  running scared to higher weight divisions, as BEN BLASCHKE reports



                  Vic Darchinyan stands less than 167cm and smiles like an astronaut
                  in outer space, but walk into his left hand and there's no doubt who
                  will be seeing stars.

                  The Armenian-born world champion is today's version of the smiling
                  assassin - a lean, mean punching machine with a ruthless streak that
                  belies his otherwise amicable nature.

                  "I read the other day that I'm the hardest puncher pound for pound
                  and I love it," he said this week in his best broken English.

                  "I know I can hit hard. It's not (just) pleasure knocking people
                  out - I love it. I love entering the ring. I feel a bit sorry for
                  my opponent.

                  "The last one (Diosdado Gabi) - in one punch I broke his chin, one
                  punch knockout. It's good."

                  Did he have any contact with Gabi afterwards?

                  "No I didn't have any contact with him," Darchinyan said.

                  "The next day I saw him and his chin was already (indicates swollen
                  face) ... I feel sorry for him, but what can I do? If I don't punch
                  him he'll punch me back."

                  Clearly, Darchinyan - the IBF world flyweight champion makes no
                  apologies for the havoc he wreaks.

                  Unbeaten in 25 fights - 20 by knockout - he will be looking to add
                  to his already imposing record when he faces Mexican slugger Luis
                  Maldonado in Las Vegas next month. And he has the same fate planned
                  for the veteran Maldonado.

                  "He is undefeated and has 25 knockouts, but I know I will do the job
                  and I know I will knock him out," Darchinyan said.

                  Following in the footsteps of his predecessor Kostya Tszyu, who
                  emigrated to Australia from Russia in 1991 and went on to unite the
                  belts in the junior welterweight division, Darchinyan is quickly
                  forging a fierce reputation in the name of his new homeland after
                  becoming Australia's sole world champion two years ago.

                  Trained by three-time world champ Jeff Fenech, he has obliterated
                  all before him since returning permanently after the Sydney Olympics
                  and is already tipped to go down as one of the greatest of all Aussie
                  fighters.

                  "Without doubt he's the best flyweight in the world right now and
                  soon he'll unify the titles," Fenech predicted, looking ahead to
                  potential bouts with WBA champ Lorenzo Parra and WBC holder Pongsaklek
                  Wonjongkam.

                  "He can punch up three or four weight divisions - he's right up with
                  the best of them."

                  Of more concern to Darchinyan is where to go from here.

                  A recent trip to Mexico to take on highly rated local Jorge Arce was
                  supposed to set him up for a run through the division, but instead
                  exposed Darchinyan's greatest hurdle - fear.

                  "I challenged him, but he didn't take my fight - he moved up a weight
                  division. He doesn't want to fight me," Darchinyan said.

                  "I don't think people are running scared - I know they're scared.

                  Why don't they want to fight me?

                  I'm not the challenger, I am champion. They have to fight me to get
                  my belt, but they still won't fight me.

                  "I'll challenge (Arce) again and if he still doesn't want to fight
                  me I'll jump up too because no one wants to fight me in my weight
                  division.

                  "I want to go up, I want to show everyone I am strong - in any weight
                  division."
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • Originally posted by Joseph
                    Sydney MX (Australia)
                    May 4, 2006 Thursday
                    SYD Edition

                    TAKE IT ON DARCHINYAN

                    So good is Australia's latest boxing import that his rivals are
                    running scared to higher weight divisions, as BEN BLASCHKE reports



                    Vic Darchinyan stands less than 167cm and smiles like an astronaut
                    in outer space, but walk into his left hand and there's no doubt who
                    will be seeing stars.

                    The Armenian-born world champion is today's version of the smiling
                    assassin - a lean, mean punching machine with a ruthless streak that
                    belies his otherwise amicable nature.

                    "I read the other day that I'm the hardest puncher pound for pound
                    and I love it," he said this week in his best broken English.

                    "I know I can hit hard. It's not (just) pleasure knocking people
                    out - I love it. I love entering the ring. I feel a bit sorry for
                    my opponent.

                    "The last one (Diosdado Gabi) - in one punch I broke his chin, one
                    punch knockout. It's good."

                    Did he have any contact with Gabi afterwards?

                    "No I didn't have any contact with him," Darchinyan said.

                    "The next day I saw him and his chin was already (indicates swollen
                    face) ... I feel sorry for him, but what can I do? If I don't punch
                    him he'll punch me back."

                    Clearly, Darchinyan - the IBF world flyweight champion makes no
                    apologies for the havoc he wreaks.

                    Unbeaten in 25 fights - 20 by knockout - he will be looking to add
                    to his already imposing record when he faces Mexican slugger Luis
                    Maldonado in Las Vegas next month. And he has the same fate planned
                    for the veteran Maldonado.

                    "He is undefeated and has 25 knockouts, but I know I will do the job
                    and I know I will knock him out," Darchinyan said.

                    Following in the footsteps of his predecessor Kostya Tszyu, who
                    emigrated to Australia from Russia in 1991 and went on to unite the
                    belts in the junior welterweight division, Darchinyan is quickly
                    forging a fierce reputation in the name of his new homeland after
                    becoming Australia's sole world champion two years ago.

                    Trained by three-time world champ Jeff Fenech, he has obliterated
                    all before him since returning permanently after the Sydney Olympics
                    and is already tipped to go down as one of the greatest of all Aussie
                    fighters.

                    "Without doubt he's the best flyweight in the world right now and
                    soon he'll unify the titles," Fenech predicted, looking ahead to
                    potential bouts with WBA champ Lorenzo Parra and WBC holder Pongsaklek
                    Wonjongkam.

                    "He can punch up three or four weight divisions - he's right up with
                    the best of them."

                    Of more concern to Darchinyan is where to go from here.

                    A recent trip to Mexico to take on highly rated local Jorge Arce was
                    supposed to set him up for a run through the division, but instead
                    exposed Darchinyan's greatest hurdle - fear.

                    "I challenged him, but he didn't take my fight - he moved up a weight
                    division. He doesn't want to fight me," Darchinyan said.

                    "I don't think people are running scared - I know they're scared.

                    Why don't they want to fight me?

                    I'm not the challenger, I am champion. They have to fight me to get
                    my belt, but they still won't fight me.

                    "I'll challenge (Arce) again and if he still doesn't want to fight
                    me I'll jump up too because no one wants to fight me in my weight
                    division.

                    "I want to go up, I want to show everyone I am strong - in any weight
                    division."

                    ABRAHAM RETAINED HIS TITLE

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                    [12:46 pm] 15 May, 2006

                    Middleweight professional Armenian boxer Arthur Abraham (20-0, 17
                    KOs) representing Germany celebrated another win in the professional
                    ring retaining his title of IBF World Champion. In the fight against
                    Kofi Jantuah (30-2, 19 KOs) from Ghana at the Stadthalle in Zwickau,
                    Germany Arthur celebrating a convincing win.

                    Scores of the last three rounds were 115-112, 116-111, 117-109.

                    By the way, Referee Robert Byrd took a point from Abraham by mistake
                    at the end of the seventh for a punch that clearly landed on Jantuah's
                    ear, not behind the head.

                    This was the second time this year that Arthur Abraham retained his
                    title. Let us remind you that on Marc 4 Arthur beat Shannon Taylor.
                    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                    • Armenia Tops The List


                      The Armenian chess players continue to celebrate victories in the Chess World Olympiad in Turin. In the ninth round the Armenian national team beat Ukraine 2.5:1.5. Levon Aronyan, Vladimir Hakobyan and Karen Asryan tied, whereas Gabriel Sargsyan played wonderfully and gained a point thanks to which the total score was in favor of us.

                      Armenia tops the list with 26.5 points. In the tenth round we will play with China. The latter beat Georgia 4:0 and is currently in the second place with 25.5 points.http://schach.wienerzeitung.at/tnr3410.aspx?lan=1
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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