Just a question

[Tongue]

And could you leave some good links with information about the denial of Turkey and the forgottenness of the whole subject?

I don't know if you're writing about the genocide or the denial of Turkey. From your questions, I think you're more concentrating on the the Turkish government's denial of the Armenian genocide. If so...

I posted an article about this a while ago, you might find that helpful regarding the Turkish denial.Here is the link.

Also, here is the letter written by the "International Association of Genocide Scholars" to Turkey asking them to recognize the genocide.
Here is the link

We have plenty of articles posted in our "Book Reviews & Articles" part of the forum. Take a look at those.

You can also mention "Orhan Pamuk". A Turkish author who faces sentence in Turkey and has become a hate figure for speaking about the Armenian genocide. You can search his name in the web, or here is an article I posted in the forum a while ago.


Also, Cleansing of Archives is an interesting article about the destruction of the Armenian genocide related documents.

You might also want to visit the site www.twentyvoices.com. You might find some of the memories of survivors interesting. We have plenty of survivor stories in the forum. If you need more, let me know.

I will post more later...

[maral_m79]

the schoolsystem in holland is different than that from the US and other countries ( I don't know where you're from). I'm in the 'middelbare school' (=dutch). That's from 12 till 18 years. Im in the fourth class of the 'middelbare school', and im almost 16 years old.

Dear Schoolboy,

Here are some web links to "Turkish Denial of The Armenian Genocide"

http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/answers.html

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Turkish_distortions_denial.htm

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Turkish_Denial_of_Armenian_Genocide

http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~sevan/genocide.html

http://www.facinghistory.org/facing/fhao2.nsf/speakers/Peter+Balakian?opendocument

http://ermeni.org/english/vdadrian_harvard.htm

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/dec96churchill.htm

And Here's a Quote about the Turkish Denial

"The Turkish denial [of the Armenian Genocide] is probably the foremost example of historical perversion. With a mix of academic sophistication and diplomatic thuggery -- of which we at Macquarie University have been targets -- the Turks have put both memory and history into reverse gear."

Prof. Colin Tatz, Director, Centre for Comparative Genocide Studies 1/1/1996

http://www.genocide1915.info/quotations.asp

There are two types for denial,

(A) Innocent Denial, when a person is ignorant about the historical facts, and belive what did the prepetrators tell him, and then repeat it ... And there are much innocent denial than one can even think... Almost all Turkish people just repeat the story that the Government tell them, they don't want to see such a crime in their history after all..

(B) Intentional Denial, when the person know what was the facts, but try to negate it, reationalize it. This group contains the Perpetrators themselves, and their accomplecies, and proxies. Of course, these people can't refute the Genocide as a fact, all they do is to "Cast Doubt" on the facts, using twisted, fabricated, or personal attacking.

Now the most important thing you need to know about the Turkish denial of the Armenian Genocide, is it's "Reasons".


Reasons for Turkish Denial (aside from the innocent denial)


1. They don't want the "Stegma" of Genocide to be attached to their history.
2. If they recognize the Armenian Genocide , they would have to compensate the victims and return the Lands and homes that they confiscated after kicking out the owners (Armenians)
3. The fear of being classifies in the same position of the Nazis.
4. Embaressment for 90 years of lies, and propaganda machine. The lie grow bigger each year.
5. They will have to change the whole education system, that recognize the Criminals of the Genocide as "Turkish national Heroes", and creat new factual system.
6. The most important reason is, the Trembling of the Turkish Republic that was founded 1923. Because this republic was based on a Crime of Genocide, and "MANY" of the co-perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide, took fine offices in the New republic.


If you have any more questions about the issue, don't hesitate to ask.

[Hovik]

Turkish Source

A Turkish Source:

A Shameful Act:The Armenian Genocide and the question of Turkish Responsibility

By Taner Akcam

[1923turks-2]

A Turkish (TRAITOR) Source:

A Shameful Act:The Armenian Genocide and the question of Turkish Responsibility

By Taner Akcam

WE DO NOT ACCEPT THAT HE IS TURK, SO HE IS QUISLING PERSON...

[maral_m79]

About 1915 and Some Legends-by Taner Akcam

About 1915 and Some Legends-by Taner Akcam

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/forum/showthread.php?t=799

[maral_m79]

WE DO NOT ACCEPT THAT HE IS TURK, SO HE IS QUISLING PERSON...

That would be your problem. The whole world accept him

[1923turks-2]

That would be your problem. The whole world accept him

NOPE I THINK IT WOULD BE WORLD PROBLEM. COZ WE DONT ACCEPT HIM

[Hovik]

WE DO NOT ACCEPT THAT HE IS TURK, SO HE IS QUISLING PERSON...

If we wanted to be ignorant, couldn't we say the same thing about the "Armenian" sources you and your colleagues have given???

I think it's a bit of a childish approach...

[phantom]

NOPE I THINK IT WOULD BE WORLD PROBLEM. COZ WE DONT ACCEPT HIM

Who cares if you accept him or don't accept him. He is a professor at a world class university in the United States, and his research, articles, and books are highly praised and respected. If the world only accepted the so-called professors (or former Kebabjis as I call them) that Turkey "accepts" then nobody would accept the fact of the Genocide.