Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

[hagopn]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

Many Turks have indeed opened their eyes and minds but they are still by far in the minority. Turkey is still just as deadly a threat to us as it was in 1915.

There are a great many moderates in the Turkish population who have a positive opinion of Armenians. The music world is an example where there is even a bias in favor Armenians among the musical circles themselves. (The same is true in Azeri musical circles, at least in the generation that saw light prior to the Artsakh war and the dominant fascist Pan-Turkist rhetoric/paradigm). All these can be leveraged to the favor of Armenia/Armenians if there is systematic labor in that direction, and in hindsight, Pres. Sargsyan's gamble yielded some positive results within the Turkish population. The AKP initially showed more tolerance and a slight nudge away from the Pan-Turkism, but now the Armen Ayvazyans are being proven correct. The fascists are the ones with all the levers.

[bell-the-cat]

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Journal of Turkish Weekly
Sept 21 2013
"Turkey will celebrate the centenary of the Battle of Canakkale in two
years," he said.

"I hope that all historical events will be considered from the point
of view of archival material, as Turkey and Azerbaijan proposed," he
said.

Would those historical events to be considered from the point of view of archival material also include the Turkish policy of the mass murder at Galippoli of prisoners and unarmed captured or surrendering soldiers? As a guess, I'd say no.

[Haykakan]

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Many Turks have indeed opened their eyes and minds but they are still by far in the minority. Turkey is still just as deadly a threat to us as it was in 1915.

[hagopn]

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As far as the "Esteemed Ambassador's" threats. I hope they do try to to carry them out. That would finally be an amphetamine shot to our zombified "peace activists" who still are under the impression that the "Turkish public is much more liberal and so is their government. Times have changed, and Armenia needs to cooperate with Turkey", yev ayln, yev ayln.

[hagopn]

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The question is, why is Turkey still allowed to institutionalize, fund, perpetuate, arm, export, and enforce intolerant and racist ideologies? Turks even have pan-Turkist "seminaries" in all the Central Asia Turkic republics in additional to their local pan-Turkist schnauzer, Azerbaijan. Turkey is rewarded for it. Turkey is encouraged to do it. NATO is Turkey's major source of encouragement to never change its ideology, and now the very competent political jugglers they are, they have also positioned themselves as Islamic leaders in partnership with Saudi Arabia and the various Emirates, but especially Qatar during this Syrian pipeline war. Has anyone seriously shown any teeth in any shape or form to stop Turkey from perpetuating its genocidal cycle? Let's get serious now. The so called EU bargaining chip is meaningless. Even during the flotilla incident, Turco-Israeli military level cooperation (full blown partnership, really) has not shown any evidence of recession or divestment on either side. The Muslim Brotherhood rhetoric suits the Isralis just fine due to its stated purpose of taking all Arab states back to the 7th century. It's as if the oft mentioned Deep State consisting of the Army and Intelligence Services still controls the actual power levers. I have yet to see Malaysia or Iran pull out of their multi-billion dollar coop deals in areas such as oil pipelines and automobile manufacturing. Turkey doesn't need the EU as much as the European pundits believe, blind pundits who don't yet see that by virtue of birthrate, Turks will gerrymander them to death in the future, not so distant as the Euros are led to believe.

I'm sorry if any of these thoughts were repeated in the thread before.

One thing I would like to add about the Israeli partnership: Back in the early 1990s Israel had spearheaded a 4 way defense pact between Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan, AND Georgia. I believe that the South Ossetia fiasco was a litmus test, perhaps, of something that was already in the works, but the Russia of Putin (versus the sleepy drunken Bear under Yeltsin) was not in the cards when the concept was first put on the design board. it was very revealing to see Israelis in charge of Georgian Military (Zerekashvili - Georgian/Israeli dual citizen) and Interior Ministry (Iacobashvili, fluent in Hebrew Georgian/Israeli dual citizen) during the Osset genocide campaign. Interesting also was the title of the Georgian Interior Minister. The full title was (and still is) "The Interior Minister For the Integration of Georgia." Sounds like a Idi Amin title, but they soon removed the "For the Integration of Georgia" portion of the title (from online sources in English at least) purportedly due to its explicitly stated imperialist intent. These days they are advised (by the consultants in Tel Aviv and New York's Madison Avenue public relations firms (professional mendacity consultants) to state that "Integration is a choice in Georgia." Yeah. Right. In my opinion, the "pact" was part of a larger scheme of isolating Russia via a Pan-Turkfied Central Asia and cutting any possibility of ties with China, Iran, India, etc. It failed as Putin seems to have outmaneuvered the proponents of this scheme. I think Georgia was an expendable sacrificial lamb to test Russia's military resolve.

[Hayayrun]

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Journal of Turkish Weekly
Sept 21 2013

Ambassador: Turkey will prevent Armenia's holding of 100th anniversary
of so-called `Armenian genocide'


21 September 2013

Turkey will take all necessary measures to prevent activities in
connection with the 100th anniversary of the so-called 'Armenian
genocide' to be held by Armenia and the Armenian Diaspora, Turkish
Ambassador to Azerbaijan Ismail Alper Joshgun told media today.

He was commenting on the activities that Armenia might hold in 2015 in
connection with 100th anniversary of the so-called 'Armenian
genocide'.

"Earlier, Armenians voiced far-fetched claims and such claims can be
expected in the future," the ambassador added.

"Turkey will celebrate the centenary of the Battle of Canakkale in two
years," he said.

He stressed that Armenia's state ideology is based on falsification of
the 1915 events.

"I hope that all historical events will be considered from the point
of view of archival material, as Turkey and Azerbaijan proposed," he
said.

21 September 2013

Not later than now every armenian should recognize what a "scurrilous" nation the turks are ...

[Haykakan]

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Journal of Turkish Weekly
Sept 21 2013

Ambassador: Turkey will prevent Armenia's holding of 100th anniversary
of so-called `Armenian genocide'


21 September 2013

Turkey will take all necessary measures to prevent activities in
connection with the 100th anniversary of the so-called 'Armenian
genocide' to be held by Armenia and the Armenian Diaspora, Turkish
Ambassador to Azerbaijan Ismail Alper Joshgun told media today.

He was commenting on the activities that Armenia might hold in 2015 in
connection with 100th anniversary of the so-called 'Armenian
genocide'.

"Earlier, Armenians voiced far-fetched claims and such claims can be
expected in the future," the ambassador added.

"Turkey will celebrate the centenary of the Battle of Canakkale in two
years," he said.

He stressed that Armenia's state ideology is based on falsification of
the 1915 events.

"I hope that all historical events will be considered from the point
of view of archival material, as Turkey and Azerbaijan proposed," he
said.

21 September 2013

[Haykakan]

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ANOTHER ARMENIAN WOMAN ATTACKED IN TURKEY

http://asbarez.com/113068/another-armenian-woman-attacked-in-turkey/

Tuesday, August 20th, 2013

Markırıt Camkosoglu

ISTANBUL (The Armenian Weekly)--An 80-year -old Armenian woman was the
victim of a recent assault in Istanbul's Ferikoy neighborhood on Aug.

17, reported Agos.

The victim was Markırıt Camkosoglu, who lived alone. The assault
happened in her apartment on Savash Street.

Camkosoglu recounted the following to Agos: "On my way home from
the supermarket, I noticed a stranger standing at the entrance of
the building. At first, I was not suspicious. The man was of medium
height, and was dark and ugly. I thought he was one of the neighbors
and was going upstairs. The building I live in is massive, and so it
is impossible to recognize everyone. However, as soon as I opened my
apartment door, the man attacked me. I fell on the floor, and as I
lay there, he started hitting me in the head. I believe he attempted
to murder me. I don't know his voice--he did not say a single word to
me to hide his identity. After beating me, he stole my purse, which
was on the table and which contained only 70 Turkish liras. Then,
he ran away."

Camkosoglu added that she had been living in her apartment for 50
years, and this was the first time that such an incident had taken
place.

During the investigation, the neighbors stated that the attacker must
have been familiar with the entrance to the building. Moreover, he
knew that Camkosoglu lived by herself. For these reasons, he had chosen
to attack at a time the building was calmest in terms of foot traffic.

This incident is reminiscent of earlier attacks on old Armenian women
that took place in the Samatia district of Istanbul between December
2012 and January 2013. One of these earlier assaults led to the death
of Maritsa Kucuk.

Police apprehended a suspect, Murat Nazaryan in March 2012. His
trial is ongoing, although Nazaryan claims he has no memory of
assaulting the women, and that his initial confession was extracted
under psychological duress. The lawyers representing Maritsa Kucuk's
family have demanded the court to launch a broader investigation into
the issue.

[Haykakan]

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URKEY BANS AUSTRALIAN MPS OVER GENOCIDE RECOGNITION

Assyrian International News Agency AINA
Aug 21 2013

(AAP) -- Turkey warns some NSW MPs will not be welcome at the
Gallipoli service after state parliament officially recognised the
Ottoman genocide of the Armenians earlier in the year.

The NSW legislative council in May passed a motion calling for the
official recognition of the Assyrian, Armenian and Greek genocides.

Turkey strongly condemned the move and said the motion was not
compatible with historic facts.

"Although the solid friendly relations existing between the peoples of
Turkey and Australia will not deteriorate because of this unilateral
decision ... its negative repercussions are nonetheless inevitable,"
Turkey's foreign ministry said in May, which ABC television reported
on Wednesday.

The proponents of such initiatives would "doubtlessly be deprived of
the hospitality and friendship that we will never withhold from the
people of Australia", the ministry warned. Digital Pass $1 for first
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"These persons who try to damage the spirit of Canakkale/Gallipoli
will also not have their place in the Canakkale ceremonies where we
commemorate together our sons lying side by side in our soil," it said.

Turkish consul-general Gulseren Celik was asked whether the statement
meant that Premier Barry O'Farrell and other NSW MPs would be denied
visas to attend the Gallipoli service.

"Yes," she told ABC television.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au

http://www.aina.org/news/20130821140330.htm

[8/17/1999]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

When the HYEVAN returns to the Anatolian peninsula, it'll be like Quinn the Eskimo after his epic visit.