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Was The Armenian Genocide Necessary By The Turks?

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  • #11
    Originally posted by maral_m79
    I voted "Yes" ...

    For the Turkish government, and the Ittihad ve Terraki party, the total extermination of the Armenians was necessary... clearing the area from the Armenian presence, and replacing the real owners with a muslim population was the key step in creating the "Pan-Turkic" Empire that they were dreaming of... As Armenians refused Turkification, and they were the largest non-muslim minority of the Empire, not forgetting the geopolitical importance of the land they were inhabitating all are factors that lead to the extermination of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire by the Twisted-minded, ultra nationalist and chauvinist Ittihadists, who thought that it was the best way to solve the Armenian Question once an for all !!
    A different opinion.Good.

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    • #12
      On this poll when someone votes “DENY IT EVER HAPPENED” technically that person is denying the Armenian Genocide, and doing so that person would be in the violation of the forum rules, I think that person (elendil) should be banned or at least be warned.
      Nice trap (“fakh” in Turkish) Gavur!

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Reincarnated Am
        On this poll when someone votes “DENY IT EVER HAPPENED” technically that person is denying the Armenian Genocide, and doing so that person would be in the violation of the forum rules, I think that person (elendil) should be banned or at least be warned.
        Nice trap (“fakh” in Turkish) Gavur!
        Are you sure that trap is fakh in Turkish?I don't know fakh.there is an idiom like ''faka basmak''means being trapped.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by maral_m79
          I voted "Yes" ...

          For the Turkish government, and the Ittihad ve Terraki party, the total extermination of the Armenians was necessary... clearing the area from the Armenian presence, and replacing the real owners with a muslim population was the key step in creating the "Pan-Turkic" Empire that they were dreaming of... As Armenians refused Turkification, and they were the largest non-muslim minority of the Empire, not forgetting the geopolitical importance of the land they were inhabitating all are factors that lead to the extermination of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire by the Twisted-minded, ultra nationalist and chauvinist Ittihadists, who thought that it was the best way to solve the Armenian Question once an for all !!
          I agree with you, but only in part.

          For one thing, the "turkish" government at the time Ittihad ve Terraki/CUP/Young Turks wasn't even really turkish. They were mostly jews.

          Young Turks:
          In October 1843, twelve German-Jewish immigrants met on New York’s Lower East Side to help others like themselves. Pooling their ideas and their funds, they founded what would become the most enduring service organization for the Zionist identity in the United States. Its name—B’nai B’rith, "Children of the Covenant".

          The founder of the Young Turks was a Jewish Italian B'nai B'rith official named Emmanuel Carasso. Carasso set up the Young Turk secret society in the 1890s in Salonika, then part of Turkey, and now part of Greece. Carasso was also the grand master of an Italian masonic lodge there, called "Macedonia Resurrected." The lodge was the headquarters of the Young Turks, and all the top Young Turk leadership were members.

          Press
          Another important area was the press. While in power, the Young Turks ran several newspapers, including The Young Turk, whose editor was none other than the Russian Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky had been educated as a young man in Italy. He later described Mazzini's ideas as the basis for the Zionist movement. Tekin Alp aka Moishe Cohen was another.

          Jabotinsky arrived in Turkey shortly after the Young Turks seized power, to take over the paper. The paper was owned by a member of the Turkish cabinet, but it was funded by the Russian Zionist federation, and managed by B'nai B'rith. The editorial policy of the paper was overseen by a Dutch Zionist named Jacob Kann, who was the personal banker of the king and queen of the Netherlands.

          Secondly, "the "Pan-Turkic" Empire that they were dreaming of", was also a jew idea as the three founders of "pan-turkism" were jews.

          1. Pan-Turkism was first called for in the 1860s by a Hungarian Zionist named Arminius Vambery, who had become an adviser to the sultan, but who secretly worked for Lord Palmerston and the British Foreign Office. Vambery later tried to broker a deal between the Zionist leader Theodor Herzl and the sultan, over the creation of Israel.

          2. The Jewish French writer, Leon Cahun who formed and propagated pan-Turkism in his book:
          Introduction al'Histoire de l'Asie, Turcs, et Mongols, des ...

          3. Arthur L. David, a British Jew who in his book tried to give the Turks a superiority myth.

          The fact of the matter and the answer to this poll. It wasn't the turks who wanted to solve any Armenian question, it was the jews.
          [COLOR=Red][B]"That was the renegade Hebrew ([I]donmeh[/I]) of Salonika, Talaat, the principal organizer of the massacres and deportations," Four Years Beneath the Crescent. Rafael De Nogales. P 26.[/B][/COLOR]

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          • #15
            Ann, are you Turkish? I've noticed that a relatively recent Turkish tactic is to blame the whole Genocide on the Jews, thus deflecting the blame away from the Turks.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by phantom
              Ann, are you Turkish? I've noticed that a relatively recent Turkish tactic is to blame the whole Genocide on the Jews, thus deflecting the blame away from the Turks.
              Hagarag I presume?

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              • #17
                Originally posted by krunchy
                Hagarag I presume?
                wtf?

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Kharpert
                  wtf?
                  He's trying to use Armenian words. But Hagarag to what .. That I didn't understand too !

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                  • #19
                    I think he was trying to say:

                    հակառակ

                    Opposite of what, though?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by phantom
                      Ann, are you Turkish? I've noticed that a relatively recent Turkish tactic is to blame the whole Genocide on the Jews, thus deflecting the blame away from the Turks.
                      I don't think she is...

                      The Donemah Jews had a role in the Genocide... But, that does not mean releasing the Turks from the responsibility of the Genocide.
                      The Jews and even the Germans had a role in the planning of the Armenian Genocide, yet the fact remains that the Turks were the ones who put it's scheme and carried it out..

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