Artsakh War Chronology

[Joseph]

http://www.karabagh.am/eng/GlavTem/15XronologiyaC.htm

[Hovik]

Again, thanks for sharing this. One point that the article makes, that has been asked over and over is this:

" Unfortunately, for unknown reasons so far the Maraga events have not been openly considered at the official level in the process of negotiations whereas the fictitiously created story of Khojalu and the hysteria around it continues to be the focus of the foreign mass media by which the imposed idea of the cruelty of the Armenians and innocence of the Azeris, the victims of the Armenian aggressors is brought to the attention of the world public. "

Why have we failed to grasp the attention of the foreign mass media and portray Azeri actions such as this, to a broad audience? Why has Azerbaijan effectively been able to take a fabricated story like Khojali and sell it to the uninformed media? These are compelling questions and issues that must be addressed. We need to take a self-critical look and try to understand what we need to do different in the present and future to be better prepared to fight and win the ongoing "information war" in Artsakh.

[Joseph]

Again, thanks for sharing this. One point that the article makes, that has been asked over and over is this:

" Unfortunately, for unknown reasons so far the Maraga events have not been openly considered at the official level in the process of negotiations whereas the fictitiously created story of Khojalu and the hysteria around it continues to be the focus of the foreign mass media by which the imposed idea of the cruelty of the Armenians and innocence of the Azeris, the victims of the Armenian aggressors is brought to the attention of the world public. "

Why have we failed to grasp the attention of the foreign mass media and portray Azeri actions such as this, to a broad audience? Why has Azerbaijan effectively been able to take a fabricated story like Khojali and sell it to the uninformed media? These are compelling questions and issues that must be addressed. We need to take a self-critical look and try to understand what we need to do different in the present and future to be better prepared to fight and win the ongoing "information war" in Artsakh.

You're welcome

There is an article by Thomas Goltz (the G. Gordon Liddy lookalike) called "Russia's Hidden Hand" written in late 1993 or 94 which essentially blames the Russian 366th regiment for Khodjali and absolves Armenian involvement. It's interestinf especially considering he was the one to "alert: the world to the events.

[Hovik]

You're welcome

There is an article by Thomas Goltz (the G. Gordon Liddy lookalike) called "Russia's Hidden Hand" written in late 1993 or 94 which essentially blames the Russian 366th regiment for Khodjali and absolves Armenian involvement. It's interestinf especially considering he was the one to "alert: the world to the events.

Any chance you could post the article or a link to it?

I don't know how much I believe that Russia has guilt in it, and I don't think I am totally convinced about any of the theories:
"Armenia did it"
"Azerbaijan did it"
"Russia did it"

But I'd definately be interested in reading more...
All I know is that there are too many unanswered questions and contradictory stories for me to believe any one theory... I think the Khojali case needs to be "re-opened" if you will, and solved so that we can move on...

[Joseph]

Any chance you could post the article or a link to it?

I don't know how much I believe that Russia has guilt in it, and I don't think I am totally convinced about any of the theories:
"Armenia did it"
"Azerbaijan did it"
"Russia did it"

But I'd definately be interested in reading more...
All I know is that there are too many unanswered questions and contradictory stories for me to believe any one theory... I think the Khojali case needs to be "re-opened" if you will, and solved so that we can move on...

I'll try to track it down. Goltz, Thomas: Letter from Eurasia: The Hidden Russian Hand (92, Fall 1993). Foreign Policy magazine

From an Armenian I know who fought in the war, I can say that the Armenians basically had the town surrounded and were prepared to attack and warned the Azeris two days prior to go-time. But the Azeris launched a few missles into Stepanaket and it happend to hit the mess-hall where the 366th was stationed and killed a few of their officers. The 366th were infuriated and drunk, they cut thorugh the Armenian lines and smashed into Khojali.

The 366th were later transfered to Chechnya were they were involved in some other slaughters, notably in Samashki

[Krokodil]

Which "foreign mass media". You should know that foreign mass medias represent interest groups. Truly independent medias are quite poor and quite small. If Armenian actions are contrary to the interests of various major powers then Armenians will be the agressors.

Again, thanks for sharing this. One point that the article makes, that has been asked over and over is this:

" Unfortunately, for unknown reasons so far the Maraga events have not been openly considered at the official level in the process of negotiations whereas the fictitiously created story of Khojalu and the hysteria around it continues to be the focus of the foreign mass media by which the imposed idea of the cruelty of the Armenians and innocence of the Azeris, the victims of the Armenian aggressors is brought to the attention of the world public. "

Why have we failed to grasp the attention of the foreign mass media and portray Azeri actions such as this, to a broad audience? Why has Azerbaijan effectively been able to take a fabricated story like Khojali and sell it to the uninformed media? These are compelling questions and issues that must be addressed. We need to take a self-critical look and try to understand what we need to do different in the present and future to be better prepared to fight and win the ongoing "information war" in Artsakh.

[Hovik]

Which "foreign mass media". You should know that foreign mass medias represent interest groups. Truly independent medias are quite poor and quite small. If Armenian actions are contrary to the interests of various major powers then Armenians will be the agressors.

You'd have to ask the author. I have read in more than one place, that Azerbaijan did a much better job in selling the story (as fabricated as it may be) to "foreign mass media", so I ask why? and what we can do to do better? thats all...

[Krokodil]

I don't really think that Azerbaijan did a much better job of anything. I think that the Armenian side knew nothing of any massacre at Khojali when Azeri started shouting about it. And I think that those "foreign medias" were interested in that story. They weren't interested in the Khojali being a fabrication.

You'd have to ask the author. I have read in more than one place, that Azerbaijan did a much better job in selling the story (as fabricated as it may be) to "foreign mass media", so I ask why? and what we can do to do better? thats all...

[Reincarnated Am]

I don't really think that Azerbaijan did a much better job of anything. I think that the Armenian side knew nothing of any massacre at Khojali when Azeri started shouting about it. And I think that those "foreign medias" were interested in that story. They weren't interested in the Khojali being a fabrication.

And we should ask who's in control of the media? and who's friends with whom?

[Hovik]

I don't really think that Azerbaijan did a much better job of anything. I think that the Armenian side knew nothing of any massacre at Khojali when Azeri started shouting about it. And I think that those "foreign medias" were interested in that story. They weren't interested in the Khojali being a fabrication.

Have you read Markar Melkonian's book "My Brothers Road" about Commander Monte "Avo" Melkonian?

Its very interesting what Markar says with regard to Monte's knowledge of Khojali...