Col. Alparslan Turkes of Turkey sign of devil

[gilgalbiblewhee]

DO you have any information site on the Grey Wolves? I'm a westerner and it's the first time I hear about them. Not to critisize Turkish societies, these things have to be exposed if we live in light. Otherwise these things will stay hidden from us the ignorant masses and we'll live in darkness. They'll end up running our lives with their phony democratic choices (choices that don't free us).

[TurQ]

So did the leftists RUDO.

Whole issue is not centered around leftist or rightist thing.

But you know Grey Wolves killed more people by government and army's assistant.Right?

[elendil]

But you know Grey Wolves killed more people by government and army's assistant.Right?

I am no leftist but it is right.

[elendil]

I dont say this to debate but to state a fact. Of all the times our people has existed events that happened in 1980s without a doubt was the darkest chapter of our history. Leftists bowing to Russia, Rightists are bowing to America and in the name of their ideology they are killing each other. If we had attacked Iraq with America today it would make more sense, at least we would not be killing our own people. People acted like pawns of greater forces, the words they told were the words of other countries, but they though they were better for saying a few quotes and condemned, looked down on others for saying else. May Allah,Lord, Yehova or God ( if person is an atheist please disregard) never show such days to me and my nation again.

[RUDO]

The leftists are no innocent( i mean the Dev-Yol Tikko guys) as you know. They have killed hundreds of rightist students in the universities in past. Actually I know lots of people who dropped out of college before 1980 just because leftists did not allow them to enter the campus, they thought campuses are their castles.

Some greywolve activist killed my distant relative who was a teacher in high school as well. But this does not change the fact that leftists killed lots of nationalists as well..

But you know Grey Wolves killed more people by government and army's assistant.Right?

[TurQ]

The leftists are no innocent( i mean the Dev-Yol Tikko guys) as you know. They have killed hundreds of rightist students in the universities in past. Actually I know lots of people who dropped out of college before 1980 just because leftists did not allow them to enter the campus, they thought campuses are their castles.

Some greywolve activist killed my distant relative who was a teacher in high school as well. But this does not change the fact that leftists killed lots of nationalists as well..

It is not a big number.Because there were a lot of people(lef-winged)to kill. So I think it is even small.

[TurQ]

RUDO

I am not advocating for any body. I am stating what has happened.
In Turkey we have a bad habbit, if we dont like somebody or some group we try to find all means of vilification. YOu may not like some group or somebody, but do it with according to realities not the picture in your mind.
I am not saying Grey Wolves was right or wrong, all I am saying is that they were provoked against far left in order to create the leftist rightist conflict, and same has done for far left, kontr guerilla leaked among them did the same.

Why do you advocate Grey Wolves?I can't understand.If Grey Wolves hadn't wanted to kill people they wouldn't have done it.Was only reason Kontrgerilla?

[RUDO]

Yes that is pretty much the point. Thanks for the leveled debate Rudo I aprreciate it.

You too.Thank you.

[elendil]

Yes you are right in that point.We should win them.If not,they will again kill people.

Yes that is pretty much the point. Thanks for the leveled debate Rudo I aprreciate it.

[RUDO]

ummm .. Gray Wolves suppoed to be an organization to counter ASALA assasinations of Turkish Deplomats , right ??

200-300 at least were "Actual Assasins" !! Don't you think that this is a VERY HUGE number for the designed task ??

ASALA counter attacks was just the cover under which those people were organizing, their REAL mission was something totally different apparently !

It is not a big number.Because there were a lot of people(lef-winged)to kill. So I think it is even small.