WOW If anyone saw the PBS Documentary on the Armenian Genocide click here

[maral_m79]

Goldberg's Documentary IS ONLINE

If you haven't seen it yet, or missed it ... Go watch it now, the 1 hour documentary is online now and here's the link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5250680282487722945&q=armenian&pl=true

[Soorp Asdvadz]

Don't you find it interesting the fact that America didnt allow this discussion to be aired? I mean look at it this way, America is defending Turks...at least on the East Coast...

[Gavur]

Well you got paid idiots and unpaid ones like some we have here.
Theres a huge difference between discussion and argument all denialists wants to do is argue or pretend like theyre involved in a discussion until they find an opening which they turn the whole thing into an argument .
So again denial is an argument and can take no part in any discussions with Armenians.Unless its a forum about denialof Turks now that we can discuss.

[Tongue]

It seems that even McCarthy himslef don't think that he is A REAL HISTORIAN to answer matters that should be answered by HISTORIANS

haha, I know. I noticed that too.. it was quite funny.

"This matter should be discussed by real historians." I was like.. so you're ummm a clown?

[maral_m79]

Taped Discussion

Does anyone have a copy of that discussion? It would be really nice to have it in America...

I only READ about McCarthy... who supposed to be the authour of THE BIBLE OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DENIAL.
Now after I watched the "Discussion" .. I know for sure that McCarthy is a bag of hot air

As you'll see, HE & his little friend WERE DEVISTATED in the discussion, and I had a big laugh at the end, not because he couldn't even convince anyone... but when the host answered him if he have something to reply Akcam with (After Akcam finished his brief discussion of Turkish archival material, Turkish military tribunals, Teshkelati Mahsusa and everything) ... McCarthy DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY, so he answered

"these are issues should be discussed by historians (BTW the host presented him as a Dr. in HISTORY = so-called historian himslef) that's why Turkish government offered a joint discussion to disscuss those issues ....."

It seems that even McCarthy himslef don't think that he is A REAL HISTORIAN to answer matters that should be answered by HISTORIANS, maybe he know that he's only a fraud

Here are the discussions ... in 3 parts vidos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlwTc3r1Tcc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH8JJvNfRPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaQdT7Ehxr8

ENJOY

[Bulgarian]

Many Turks - of all types acted nobly and sanely towards the Armenians - a great many more did not.

I knew it! The entire Turkish race with their religion Islam wanted to kill all the infidels and ethnic minorities under what they percieved was their god given lands.

TurQ how do you know that none of your family were actively involved in the murder of Armenians, Assyrians, Bulgarians, Greeks, etc?

[TurQ]

Teshkilat-i Mahsusa(special organization) has various groups under it, it was first founded against the Balkan occupation, then the ones that are controlled by Bahattin shakir in particular was used for Armenian deportation.
It is believed that the total teskilat was around 30,000.

(EDITED by Turque: THe rest is deleted, there's no point of engaging those discussions)

When did I say that the regular Army was equal to the chettes? In fact the Jew haters here have used a post I made in the past concerning the nobility (for pursueing these criminals) and non-involvement of some of the Turkish regular Army as ammunition against me. Many Turks - of all types acted nobly and sanely towards the Armenians - a great many more did not. Don't even try to twist my words TurQ or think that you can imagine my level of specific knowledge about what occured. Your casting doubt - in the true form of genocide denial - will not owrk on me - but only the unknowledgable and uniformed - though I know that is who you are attempting to reach - as your pathetic excuses, evasions and denials - and attempt to blame the victim - is all too transparent and all too typical of genocide denial.

Do you happen to know the approximate numbers of Special Organization personel in 1915? Think again before claiming that Turks could not have commited atrocities againt Armenians on a massive scale.

The cooraborated reports of ordinary Turks setting themselves upon defensless (and often near naked and starving) Armenians are too numerous too discount....unlike your myths of poisoned bread and fedeyie crimes of any significance (on a national or even regional scale) that you attempt to pass as justification for the barborous acts commited against the Armenian nation and against hundreds of thousands of totally innocent Armenian women and children...

The Armenian Genocide is considered to have started in April of 1915 (though in fact massacres of villages and arrests and murdering of notables had been occuring in the East since mid 1914 (and against Greeks of the Aegean areas since 1913)...by September of 1915 the German government (agents in Anatolia) was already reporting over 1 million Armenians had been killed - in 5 months time!

What is the word we used to describe such a thing?

[1.5 million]

When did I say that the regular Army was equal to the chettes? In fact the Jew haters here have used a post I made in the past concerning the nobility (for pursueing these criminals) and non-involvement of some of the Turkish regular Army as ammunition against me. Many Turks - of all types acted nobly and sanely towards the Armenians - a great many more did not. Don't even try to twist my words TurQ or think that you can imagine my level of specific knowledge about what occured. Your casting doubt - in the true form of genocide denial - will not owrk on me - but only the unknowledgable and uniformed - though I know that is who you are attempting to reach - as your pathetic excuses, evasions and denials - and attempt to blame the victim - is all too transparent and all too typical of genocide denial.

Do you happen to know the approximate numbers of Special Organization personel in 1915? Think again before claiming that Turks could not have commited atrocities againt Armenians on a massive scale.

The cooraborated reports of ordinary Turks setting themselves upon defensless (and often near naked and starving) Armenians are too numerous too discount....unlike your myths of poisoned bread and fedeyie crimes of any significance (on a national or even regional scale) that you attempt to pass as justification for the barborous acts commited against the Armenian nation and against hundreds of thousands of totally innocent Armenian women and children...

The Armenian Genocide is considered to have started in April of 1915 (though in fact massacres of villages and arrests and murdering of notables had been occuring in the East since mid 1914 (and against Greeks of the Aegean areas since 1913)...by September of 1915 the German government (agents in Anatolia) was already reporting over 1 million Armenians had been killed - in 5 months time!

What is the word we used to describe such a thing?

[TurQ]

That parts can only be partially true, for eastern anatolia for the cities and big towns, already the male population were drafted into the army to fight against the Russians and Allied forces in Gallipoli, I am really wondering how all children and women carried out genocide to their neighbours. My friends great grandma told this, when their Armenian neighbour(Darende, Malatya close to Sivas border) was called for tehjir(deportation) the neighbour gave the keys of their home and ask her to take care of the house(there was no man left in the family).
THese are not few of those examples, now you're telling me that local populace carried out a genocide?
YEs I know in Kayseri(again from my friend's family) that local Armenians were killed by some of the local villagers who lost their relatives in war.

Even the commander of the largest army in the east ,3rd army, Vehip Pasha himself punished and executed those responsible of killing Armenians in the army(according to CUP they're the prime suspects you know). You're still claiming that regular army and CUP chetes were equal, while the army issued arrest warrent for Bahattin SHakir's actions in east.

First you have to have a reasonable explanation to these official stand taken by the Ottoman state and government.

Anyways there is no point of re-engaging discussions on this, I know where you stand, you know where I stand, and we'll agree not to agree onmajority of the things

What is worse TurQ - "ugly" words or "ugly" thoughts...

One of the points that was made in the documentary that you need to pay heed - is that there was an incredible participation by the general Turkish populace in carrying out the Armenian Genocide. (unlike the Germans who while perhaps aware of the concentration camps and Nazi proclamations/laws etc concerning Jews were not so directly involved in the actual killing and looting. In fact the documentary depicts quite well how the Mosque were used to rally passions against Armenians (as Christians/non-Muslims) - how Armenians were depicted as less then human - how both Ottoman Government and religious authorities actively encouraged killing of Armenians by everyday Turks and how everyday Turks did such in great numbers. What the documentary didn't discuss was the campaign that preceeded this - for nearly an entire generation where ottoman Turrks were taught to resent the "uppity" Armenians and how the Turkish press consistantly denigrated them - calling them swine and animals and how Turks came to resent aand become jealous of the seemingly prosperous (depicted as such) Armenians - while meanwhile the Empire was crumbling...refugees were pouring in (who were very much disposed against Christians)...and you talk of Fedayi and such - what a joke - not even close - by orders of magnitude - to being in the same ball park - what do you know - very little really - you understand very little - or at least you come off that way...yet you are smug and confident in your denial - so FU again - you deserve far worse!

[Gavur]

Oh ok I was a little confused at first but then I played it safe knowing others would be too.
Anyway it gave me the energy kinda put my Grandmas story in nutshell and put it out there
Thank you for my misunderstanding Turq