The Role of Imperialism

[brotherhood]

Armenian,Turkish and Kurdish people lived together in peace over a thousand years.When Imperialist countries realized the resources of Anatolia and its strategical position in Middle East , They encouraged the separatists in Anatolia.But at the end, they always betrayed the separatists.
In the Armenian problem - and now in Kurdish problem - , the Imperialist powers promised the Great Armenia from Kilikya to the end of the present Armenia. They do everything they can do to ruin the peace between the people. They emphasized the differences and made forget the similarities.
They do not consider the poverty,starvation,massacres.They only want money,oil.Their religion is PROFIT. According to them everything can be done to reach this goal.Do not forget what happend in the near samples, Bosnia,Chechenia, Ruanda, Iraq, Algeria .... and the roles od Imperialist powers!


But we are human beings.We are not politicians.We should embrace each other.Can embrace anyone in the world.As a Turk I cried for the killed people from both sides.I understood how they made us lost our humanity in this problem(Both Turks and Armanians)

Turkish and Armenain people should call the Imperialist powers to account for lost people and years for this problem.

Armenian and Turkish people should be brothers as they were over a thousand years.

We should study on this...
Never never hate each other.It is a sin.
This is our responsibility and homework given from our killed ancestors and The GOD!
Yes, we killed each other but who give weapon to our hands?
Never too late.
I am sure, we will find a way...
We are well equipped for this.

from Istanbul,with love.

[Kharpert]

Okay, I'm afraid you don't have a proper understanding of history. Your argument is hereby null and void.

[yeniçeri]

I totally agree with you. But some of these people seem like they are full of hatred. No matter what you say they will probably dont understand.

[Kharpert]

I am not full of hatred, but this is an issue that has been discussed over and over again on these forums and each and every time it has been proven incorrect. The members of this forum are not amused when Ottoman history is blamed on the nonexistant "imperialism" of the modern West. They are not the cause and never have been the cause for any animosity between Turks, Kurds, and Armenians or the Armenian Genocide, or massacres against Kurds and anyone who suggests so is trying to find a scapegoat for Turkey's lamentable 20th century history.

[brotherhood]

And I have met a lot of people who have eye-witnessed the US weapon and food parachutes to PKK terrorists.
The voice of America Radio has Kurdish broadcast and they encourage the seperatism.
Can't you understand what is happening in Iraq?How it is divided in 3 parts. What is the average people killed in a day ? 10,30 ,100 ? What is the total ? 100.000 , 200.000 , 500.000 ? Are U sure ? Who knows ? Isn't it a genocide?
How was it started? Democracy, Human Rights , Freedom ?
No thanks ! Don't you remember the same words declared at the end of 19th century?

from Istanbul, with Love !

[Joseph]

[/QUOTE] How about investigating the Ottoman's Imperialist role vis a vis the Balkans, Middle East, etc? Did the CUP not do Germany's bidding during WWI? What about England and France keeping the sick man alive for generations?

[Joseph]

Modern West and Russia has the main responsibility in the problem.
Missionaries with their schools made Armenian nationalists even taught Armenian language to Turkish speaking Armenians.A lot of Armenians changed their religious sect to catholic and protestan.

They give great promises to Armenians but never kept them.
I think this is why you become so angry.

Search in the Net.Read something what happened in Ruanda , Bosnia , Algeria.See how UN commander hand over thousands of Bosnians to Serps.
See how 1.5 millions of Algerians slaughtered.Read Mitterrand's son's role in Ruanda.Read how 100 millions of American Indians left to hungry dogs and burned. If you claim genocide happended to you,You should read something about other genocides.



From Istanbul,With Love...

1. I agree, there were genocides in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia, Sudan, in the US with the Native Americans, etc.
2. The missionaries taught Armenians math, foreign languages, medicine, science and tried to convert them to Protestantism and Catholicism, that is true, but Armenian nationalism was not in the interests because that would strengthen the Armenian church.
3. All was not well with Armenians prior to WWI. Armenians were massacred from time to time, constantly harrassed by Kurds and Circasssians. The Missionary presence made this more apparent to the outside world when they couldn't believe what they were witnessing. In the past Armenians met their fate with stoicism. As far as Armenians not serving in the military, the Ottoman gov't chose this route because the wealthier Armenians were triple taxed and this kept them from a having military training. It served the Ottomans not to have Armenians serve in the armed forces.

[ScythianVizier]

In my opininon, the role of European/Western imperialism during the dissolving era of the Ottoman Empire was the major factor that resulted in conflicts amongst the Ottoman muslims and christians. This was largely due to the imperialistic policies that embodied ethnic cleansing campaigns utilized in the conquered Ottoman lands.

[imported_Ottoman]

As an Alien now I am very happy , someone understands me in this forum.
Thank You !

[Joseph]

There will always leading countries in the world.It is normal.We expect juctice from them. Their responsibility is fighting against poverty , hunger , nationalism , democracy , equality of females , aids etc... Until 1850 Nobody in Armenian people has any complaint. Even they do not any military service. We lived together in peace.

You still haven't answered my questions. Was not Turkey doing Germany's bidding?