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  • Joseph
    Originally posted by ATSIZ
    my name is ATSIZ
    Ah, the great and honorable horseless one. Can I add "ata" to that?


    Can you tell me about Ataturk's Sun Theory?

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    Originally posted by Gavur
    Your whole existence is insulting to me!
    ı have not got such problem because you are nothing

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    Originally posted by Joseph
    Yes Yes Gavur, you very very bad man ...big meany.

    Astiz, if you don't like what's written here, you can always leave.
    my name is ATSIZ

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  • Gavur
    Your whole existence is insulting to me!

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  • Joseph
    Originally posted by ATSIZ

    you or we

    insulting statements of you make you unright.After this post I wont reply your bad and insulting words

    Yes Yes Gavur, you very very bad man ...big meany.

    Astiz, if you don't like what's written here, you can always leave.

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  • Joseph
    Originally posted by ATSIZ
    everything has and begining also a land's name...
    Anatolia has been called as Turkiye since 9-10 centuries.Ottoman means in Turkish "osmanl?".But Europeans called Ottoman.Osman Be? is the founder of Ottoman Empire and if you search something about Turk History you will realize that many Turkish Empires has the name of the khan of Founder of country.
    Examples:Cengiz Khan,Selçuk,Ottoman

    But this does not mean this empires are not Turk.

    I mean This is a Turk way of giving name to empire...but great empires.Armeanians coluldn't understand what ? want to tell because Thay coludn't have a great empires..They lived under DEFENCE OF PERSIAN,TURK AND BYZANT?NE..ST?LLL UNDER RUSS?AN DEFEND.

    You've just shown how convoluted your reasoning is and have made my argument for me. You claimed that there was no Armenia because the people known to others as Armenians called themselves instead "Hayk" in their own language. Since the Hayk do not use that term "Armenian" to describe themselves in the Armenian language, well that can only mean these was never an Armenia or Armenian people. Correct?

    The Osmanlis (as the Turkic people referred to themselves) were certainly known interchangeably as Ottomans or Turks by Europeans but if I were to use your reasoning, the than Turkey cannot exist because the Turkish people did not call themselves or there state Turkiye in the past (despite what you may argue)

    We've heard the mantra over and over again from Turks that no Turkish state every existed until 1923, it was the Ottoman Empire and the Turkic people there were known as Osmanlis. But you argue that Turkiye has existed since the 9th and 10th century (actually, the Seljuks came to Anatolia in 11th, but that's not important). Seems there is some dissention in the ranks. By the way, Genghis Khan was Mongol, of course Mongols are of Turk origin but including him as on of the precursors of the Ottoman Empire might come as a surprise to some of your compatriots.

    The Armenians have had several state throughout history and a couple of empires (Tigran and the Bagratunis) and lastly a state in Cilicia up to the 15th century; but of course, this in not in the approved Turkish history book.

    Here’s some history for you. Take Tylenol for any headaches…and Midol for any cramps:

    Historical Background

    ARMENIAN CIVILIZATION HAD its beginnings in the sixth century B.C. In the centuries following, the Armenians withstood invasions and nomadic migrations, creating a unique culture that blended Iranian social and political structures with Hellenic-- and later Christian--literary traditions. For two millennia, independent Armenian states existed sporadically in the region between the northeastern corner of the Mediterranean Sea and the Caucasus Mountains, until the last medieval state was destroyed in the fourteenth century. A landlocked country in modern times, Armenia was the smallest Soviet republic from 1920 until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. The future of an independent Armenia is clouded by limited natural resources and the prospect that the military struggle to unite the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region with the Republic of Armenia will be a long one.
    The Armenians are an ancient people who speak an Indo-European language and have traditionally inhabited the border regions common to modern Armenia, Iran, and Turkey. They call themselves hai (from the name of Hayk, a legendary hero) and their country Haiastan. Their neighbors to the north, the Georgians, call them somekhi, but most of the rest of the world follows the usage of the ancient Greeks and refers to them as Armenians, a term derived according to legend from the Armen tribe. Thus the Russian word is armianin, and the Turkish is ermeni.

    The Ancient Period
    People first settled what is now Armenia in about 6000 B.C. The first major state in the region was the kingdom of Urartu (Aratta, known from the Bible as the Kingdom of Ararat), which appeared around Lake Van in the thirteenth century B.C. and reached its peak in the ninth century B.C. Shortly after the fall of Urartu to the Assyrians, the Indo-European-speaking proto-Armenians migrated, probably from the west, onto the Armenian Plateau and mingled with the local people of the Hurrian civilization, which at that time extended into Anatolia (present day Asian Turkey) from its center in Mesopotamia. Greek historians first mentioned the Armenians in the mid-sixth century B.C. Ruled for many centuries by the Persians, Armenia became a buffer state between the Greeks and Romans to the west and the Persians and Arabs of the Middle East. It reached its greatest size and influence under King Tigran II, also known as Tigranes or Tigran the Great (r. 95-55 B.C.). During his reign, Armenia stretched from the Mediterranean Sea northeast to the Mtkvari River (called the Kura in Azerbaijan) in present-day Georgia (see fig. 5). Tigran and his son, Artavazd II, made Armenia a center of Hellenic culture during their reigns.
    By 30 B.C., Rome conquered the Armenian Empire, and for the next 200 years Armenia often was a pawn of the Romans in campaigns against their Central Asian enemies, the Parthians. However, a new dynasty, the Arsacids, took power in Armenia in A.D. 53 under the Parthian king, Tiridates I, who defeated Roman forces in A.D. 62. Rome's Emperor Nero then conciliated the Parthians by personally crowning Tiridates king of Armenia. For much of its subsequent history, Armenia was not united under a single sovereign but was usually divided between empires and among local Armenian rulers.

    Early Christianity
    After contact with centers of early Christianity at Antioch and Edessa, Armenia accepted Christianity as its state religion in A.D. 301 (the traditional date--the actual date may have been as late as A.D. 314), following miracles said to have been performed by Saint Gregory the Illuminator, son of a Parthian nobleman. Thus Armenians claim that Tiridates III (A.D. 238-314) was the first ruler to officially Christianize his people, his conversion predating the conventional date (A.D. 312) of Constantine the Great's personal acceptance of Christianity on behalf of the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantine Empire).
    Early in the fifth century A.D., Saint Mesrop, also known as Mashtots, devised an alphabet for the Armenian Language, and religious and historical works began to appear as part of the effort to consolidate the influence of Christianity. For the next two centuries, political unrest paralleled the exceptional development of literary and religious life that became known as the first golden age of Armenia. In several administrative forms, Armenia remained part of the Byzantine Empire until the midseventh century. In A.D. 653, the empire, finding the region difficult to govern, ceded Armenia to the Arabs. In A.D. 806, the Arabs established the noble Bagratid family as governors, and later kings, of a semiautonomous Armenian state.

    The Middle Ages
    Particularly under Bagratid kings Ashot I (also known as Ashot the Great or Ashot V, r. A.D. 862-90) and Ashot III (r. A.D. 952-77), a flourishing of art and literature accompanied a second golden age of Armenian history. The relative prosperity of other kingdoms in the region enabled the Armenians to develop their culture while remaining segmented among jurisdictions of varying degrees of autonomy granted by the Arabs. Then, after eleventh-century invasions from the west by the Byzantine Greeks and from the east by the Seljuk Turks, the independent kingdoms in Armenia proper collapsed, and a new Armenian state, the kingdom of Lesser Armenia, formed in Cilicia along the northeasternmost shore of the Mediterranean Sea. As an ally of the kingdoms set up by the European armies of the Crusades, Cilician Armenia fought against the rising Muslim threat on behalf of the Christian nations of Europe until internal rebellions and court intrigue brought its downfall, at the hands of the Central Asian Mamluk Turks in 1375. Cilician Armenia left notable monuments of art, literature, theology, and jurisprudence. It also served as the door through which Armenians began emigrating to points west, notably Cyprus, Marseilles, Cairo, Venice, and even Holland.

    Care to enlighten us now with Ataturk's Sun Theory?

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  • Tongue
    Originally posted by ATSIZ

    I mean This is a Turk way of giving name to empire...but great empires.Armeanians coluldn't understand what ı want to tell because my English sucks!
    I agree.

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  • Gavur
    And we also paid you to protect us also like we did others!
    you snake you stabbed us in the back and bit the hand that fed your asses
    you worthless mercenary!

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  • Joseph
    Originally posted by ATSIZ
    Yes you are right "Hay".So Armenian lobby has been studying in France as hard as they can do and France accepts all request of your Diaspora.

    Accept MY HEARTIES!

    has your so called Armeni land still been defended by Russia_?
    Gunduz Aktan, is that you again?

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  • Joseph
    Uh oh, those pesky Dhimmis


    Anatolian Times, Turkey
    June 14 2006

    ANKARA - "Lands are purchased by foreigners rapidly following
    permission by (Turkish) authorities," Rahsan Ecevit, wife of former
    PM Bulent Ecevit affirmed on Tuesday.

    Speaking to reporters at a press conference, Rahsan Ecevit said 272,5
    million square meters of land and property were purchased by 52,818
    foreigners before April 15th, 2005.

    "Apart from those, Turkish citizens and companies purchased lands and
    areas rich in mineral ore on behalf of foreigners," Ecevit defended,
    adding that, "Greek and Armenian lobbies are behind the purchase of
    territories in Turkey".

    Rahsan Ecevit said Turkish farmers could not produce and forced to sell
    their lands because of decisions made for the sake of EU membership."

    Ecevit said Jews living in the United States purchased (in the past)
    lands in Palestine for years and said "this is Israel (of today)".

    "Israel is getting prepared to play the same trick in GAP region
    (southeastern Turkey) today. It has been stated that Israelis did not
    purchase any land in the GAP region, but the web page of the Title &
    Deeds DG and Government Office, where cadastral records are kept,
    were blackened out" Ms. Ecevit reaffirmed.

    "Israelis purchased most of this land through Turkish citizens of
    Jewish origin ," Rahsan Ecevit said, indicating "sale of lands also
    covers regions with strategic importance. For instance Israelis
    purchased 4,000 ha. of land near Konya Military Airport."

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