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Yet another example of Turkey's confusion with it's identity...

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    Yet another example of Turkey's confusion with it's identity...

    The following Article was published on May 24, 2006 in the Editorial section of the New York Times. The letter is from the Turkish Ambassador to the NYT editor in response to that newspaper's earlier article which characterized the Armenian Genocide as... (suprise) ...GENOCIDE...

    Please read it, and see if you can figure out what the key comment is, the answer will follow...

    Originally posted by New York Times
    To the Editor:

    It is our position that unlike the Holocaust, the Armenian allegations of genocide have never been historically or legally substantiated (editorial, May 16). Genocide is a crime defined by international law. As such, it must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, not by, as you suggest, a ''preponderance of serious scholarship.''

    To expect Turkey to acquiesce to such a severe accusation with regard to its own history while its allies keep regurgitating this sensitive issue for political ends is simply not rational, nor is it fair.

    History should be left to historians, and with that understanding, Turkey proposed the establishment of a joint historical commission with Armenia to research this issue last year, to no avail so far. If the evidence is really there, why not accept this offer?

    It is only through such a common dialogue that a process of reconciliation can begin. This may ultimately lead to closure for Armenians and Turks alike.

    Nabi Sensoy
    Ambassador of Turkey
    Washington, May 17, 2006
    Ready? Here is the magical quote:

    Originally posted by Nabi Sensoy
    To expect Turkey to acquiesce to such a severe accusation with regard to its own history...
    Now if I had a dollar, dram or lira for every time I've heard a Turk say the following - I'd be Kirk Kerkoryan's rich uncle...

    Originally posted by large amounts of the Turkish population
    "The Ottoman Government and the Turkish Government are two separate entities, therefore the latter cannot be responsible for the former."
    So why does Nabi Sensoy (not to mention a host of other diplomatic officials) call it Turkey's "own history" if it isn't?

    Answer: Because Turkey and Turks know that it is, they try to put up the [Ottomans were different] scam, but they sometimes forget and tell what they know is the truth - that it's Turkeys "own history". Its moments like these, when the world has to sit back and enjoy the show as Turks stuble and fumble over their own words...

    A question for Turks: Why aren't you all sending in letters of protest, or protesting outside the Turkish embassy, to let your representative Mr. Sensoy know that you're pissed for characterizing "Ottoman History" as "Turkish History"? Do you realize how it screws your whole fallacy of a story up?

    Mr. Sensoy, I have to thank you for your letter. By writing about the Armenian Genocide in one of the most circulated papers in the U.S. you have made millions more aware of the Armenian Genocide. Give yourself a pat on the back.

    To Turks out there, you should consider demanding Mr. Sensoy's resignation before he puts yet another nail in the coffin of Turkish denial.
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  • #2
    Hovik jan, they know they are loosing the battle

    they are getting lost in their own lies

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    • #3
      That battle is allready lost but will they say uncle?thats another matter
      will our goverment continue to stand firm?I pray that they will then its just a matter of time when we'll gain some nephews.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #4
        Is it just me, or does he also contradict himself by saying this:

        Originally posted by Nabi Sensoy
        History should be left to historians
        while also saying, this:


        Originally posted by Nabi Sensoy
        As such, it must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, not by, as you suggest, a ''preponderance of serious scholarship.''
        What is the difference between a historian and a sholar?
        What exactly is it that they want?

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        • #5
          the funny thing is that he says this issue should be left to historians, while all genocide scholars agree that the Armenian Genocide happened. Is he talking about Turkish fake historians, McFarty, Lewy, Lewis and the handful that still deny the AG?

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          • #6
            Leave history to the historians my ass! Hypocrite weasels.

            Originally posted by Hovik

            New York Times
            To the Editor:

            History should be left to historians,

            Nabi Sensoy
            Ambassador of Turkey
            Washington, May 17, 2006
            So what the hell is your government passing bills to condemn the "genocides" of the Algerians and the Congolese by the French and the Belgians for?

            Leave it to the fuqqing historians, right!
            Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

            I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
            II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
            III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
            IV. They shut up and say nothing.

            [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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            • #7
              This is not surprising, but I am curious to know what the New York Times' response was.

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              • #8
                this is the funniest forum I have ever seen. really I cant understand the purpose. armenian lobbies are trying to force certain countries parlement (such as america, canada, france, germany...) for the sake of the potential armenian "vote".. this game is being played every year and every year you fail over and over again. there was no genocide it was a kind of war which is of course sad. nothing more...
                regards

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by system_of_adown
                  this is the funniest forum I have ever seen. really I cant understand the purpose. armenian lobbies are trying to force certain countries parlement (such as america, canada, france, germany...) for the sake of the potential armenian "vote".. this game is being played every year and every year you fail over and over again. there was no genocide it was a kind of war which is of course sad. nothing more...
                  regards
                  Not quite. The lobbying may piss you off but it seems to be working. More countries and recognizing the Armenian Genocide every year and the fact that the issue is often in the news makes it hard for the Turkish authorities to ignore and has led to it becoming less taboo in your society.

                  regards
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • #10
                    so can you tell me which country(s) recognized that "fake" genocide story?
                    Now because of you turkey put an embargo on your country. you dont mind this because probably you are living in america (in peace of course) and you are betraying your own people.. our relationship with your country (I assume you are armenian) is just bad.
                    I just urge you try to do something usefull not only for your people but also whole humanity....
                    dont get me wrong please I am not advocating what happened in the past...

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