The Palestinian Genocide

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Israeli kids sends gifts of love to Arab kids

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Photo caption: Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Monday, July 17, 2006.(AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)






when children are signing bombs, a society has hit a new low.

[Gavur]

Protestors March

http://nightbirdsfountain.blogspot.com/

Several thousand Arab-Americans and supporters march in the street as they demand the end to the Israeli bombings of Lebanon and Gaza in Dearborn, Michigan.





bush's response when asked yesterday about his reaction to Israel's relentless bombing of Lebanon and the deaths of so many innocents:



"It's a necessary part of the 21st century."

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Photo caption: Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Monday, July 17, 2006.(AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)






when children are signing bombs, a society has hit a new low.

Shame, shame on Israel for this photo if nothing else. Children signing bombs that will kill children like themselves. What kind of a generation will come out of these children. Shame, SHAME

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And to all who condone it! by their actions and (non-actions)

Turkey lived up true to its nature when it asked the US to go after the PKK across its borders just like itzrael and started crying and ranting when it was told NO!
Why do you guys want to be like Israel anyways?
But you imperalist master said no and you guys know when no is NO!

[elendil]

Turkey lived up true to its nature when it asked the US to go after the PKK across its borders just like itzrael and started crying and ranting when it was told NO!
Why do you guys want to be like Israel anyways?
But you imperalist master said no and you guys know when no is NO!

We will see about it. Pkk is hitting us and running away to northeren Iraq. We have asked a thousand times, million times to goverment of Iraq, goverment of America and other EU states to stop funding, aiding, sheltering this terrorist group. Hell we sheltered their 900.000 Kurdish people after the massacre of Helepce. We are enlarging Kurdish rights day by day and day by day we are losing more people to PKK terror. It is stupid to call the PKK problem a domestic one while they training sites, logistics reside in northeren Iraq. The difference between Israel and us is so immense, Israel is destroying Lebanon, its infrastructure and hitting civilians and milita with bombs of....Anyway, I believe in fact you know the difference between Israel's act and the action that Turkey is willing to take. For the second time in the forum
I got angry and lost my temper.All thanks to your bull. Congrats....

[Joseph]

Turkey threaten to invade Iraq

Wednesday, July 19, 2006
AP
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Turkish officials signaled yesterday they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there — a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States.

Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week.

“The government is really in a bind,” said Seyfi Tashan, director of the Foreign Policy Institute at Bilkent University in Ankara. “On the one hand, they don’t want things to break down with the United States. On the other hand, the public is crying for action.”

Diplomats and experts cautioned the increasingly aggressive Turkish statements were likely aimed at calming public anger and pressing the U.S. and Iraq to act against the Turkish Kurdish guerrillas. But they also said Turkish politicians and military officers could act if nothing is done.

U.S. officials in Turkey and Washington were in contact with Turkish officials and military commanders to press them to work with Washington to combat the guerrillas and not to act alone, a Western diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.

Turkey’s NTV television and Hurriyet newspaper report the government has told the military to draw up plans for a push into northern Iraq and to advise on the possibilities such an incursion could lead to a clash with Iraqi Kurds or U.S. troops.

Any operation was unlikely before the end of August, when the current military chief of staff is replaced by an officer widely regarded as a hard-liner, NTV said.

The Western diplomat said the Turkish military long has had plans for fighting guerrillas in northern Iraq. These range from limited artillery and airstrikes on guerrilla bases to attacks by commando forces and a broader ground offensive.

American officials, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have repeatedly warned Turkey against entering northern Iraq, one of the few stable areas of the country.

U.S. Ambassador Ross Wilson said Turkish, Iraqi and U.S. cooperation is a “more sensible way to go forward than perhaps to ... try to do it unilaterally.”

Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq, appeared to be addressing Turkish concerns when he said yesterday that Iraqi Kurds “won’t allow anyone to harm our neighbors by using our territory.”

But he also said the problem with the guerrillas “cannot be solved through military means alone,” Turkey’s DHA news agency reported.

Turkey considers the guerrillas terrorists and has refused to talk with them.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan appeared to confirm reports that the military was ordered to draft plans when he said yesterday: “We know how to take care of (terrorism) on our own... Our competent units are making preparations and will continue to do so.”

[Joseph]

[QUOTE=elendil]We will see about it. Pkk is hitting us and running away to northeren Iraq. We have asked a thousand times, million times to goverment of Iraq, goverment of America and other EU states to stop funding, aiding, sheltering this terrorist group. Hell we sheltered their 900.000 Kurdish people after the massacre of Helepce. We are enlarging Kurdish rights day by day and day by day we are losing more people to PKK terror. It is stupid to call the PKK problem a domestic one while they training sites, logistics reside in northeren Iraq. The difference between Israel and us is so immense, Israel is destroying Lebanon, its infrastructure and hitting civilians and milita with bombs of....Anyway, I believe in fact you know the difference between Israel's act and the action that Turkey is willing to take. For the second time in the forum
I got angry and lost my temper.All thanks to your bull. Congrats....[/QUOTE/


For the U.S., the PKK is certainly an annoyance but they have bigger fish to fry. They are of course dealing with the contiuned insurgency and things are not getting any better. At the moment the US has its hands tied and will not send already stretched troops and resourses to the region to engage the PKK. Furthermore, the US public, already weary of the war, will not look favorably at an action against the PKK (not because they have any love for them) as it will be seen as a dilution of purpose with regards to why we are in Iraq ( they will see at as the US getting involved in a fued between the Turks and Kurds). The US public is not aware of the difference between the PKK and the Kurds in N. Iraq nor do they care. Right now the Kurds in general are seen as a bulwark against the insurgency. That being said, I would not say the US is sheltering the PKK, they have just decided that other actions in Iraq are much more important to the "success" of their mission.

Pretty soon, a Kurdish state will emerge in what was once northern Iraq. Probably the best course for Turkey is to forge a close relationship with the emerging entity and in that way, with the cooperation of Kurdistan, be able to jointly get rid of PKK base across the border. In the long run, the Kurdish authorities will not want the PKK around either as the PKK will only give them further headaches down the road. At the moment, the PKK is a trump card for Kurdish authorities until they are certain Turkey will not invade or fight the inevitable emergence of a Kurdish State in N. Iraq. Once they are assured recognition and respect, the PKK will be obliterated from their territory.

I do not believe that the coming Kurdish state will support seperatist Kurdish aspirations in Turkey (though the general population may); it is not in their long-term interests.


Yet while the PKK most certainly has some small bases in Iraq, it seems to me that many of their actions have been conducted quite far from the border area; meaning further in the interior of S.E. Turkey so they are not necessarily crossing back and forth from Iraq. I would imagine that the bulk of their membership (formal and informal), supplies, training, etc is procured within Turkey itself, more so than the supposed 3,000 PKK forces that are based in Iraq. I'm not saying that the base in Iraq is insignificant but that the PKK is of course entrenched in Turkey and that Turkish forces crossing the border probably won't result in very much; similar to the border crossings in the 90's in where there was this great show of force but not much in the way of actually disrupting the PKK in the long-term.

In the case of another invasion into what is currently Iraq, it would only serve to bring the PKK and the Kurdish authorities closer together.

Getting on to the Europeans, the PKK is certainly one of their trump cards (along with Cyprus, Armenian Genocide, Human Rights) to keep Turkey out of the EU. The Europeans are very well aware how bent out of shape Turkey gets regarding these issue. Turkey is being tested to see how far they are willing to reign in their temper and thus far are failing. The European public is generally more disposed to look favorably upon organizations such as the PKK and Hezbollah as they are not inclined to favor Turkey or Israel.

Getting on to Israel, I think the actions against Lebanon are reprehensible but they were suckered into this fight by the Hezbollah. Turkey does not have to make the same mistake.

[Joseph]

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Photo caption: Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Monday, July 17, 2006.(AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)






when children are signing bombs, a society has hit a new low.

It's not suprising though. The Israeli's have a Spartan outlook (not necessarily their entire fault) and in a few years, those girls will probably be hardcore IDF.

[Joseph]

http://nightbirdsfountain.blogspot.com/




Several thousand Arab-Americans and supporters march in the street as they demand the end to the Israeli bombings of Lebanon and Gaza in Dearborn, Michigan.





bush's response when asked yesterday about his reaction to Israel's relentless bombing of Lebanon and the deaths of so many innocents:



"It's a necessary part of the 21st century."

Just when I thought Bush could never shock me with his utter stupidity and ignorance, he makes statements like the one said above. And yes, he does indeed resemble a monkey.

[Joseph]

This is interesting

Iran: We Support Turkey's Possible Cross-Border Operation
By Harun Celik, Cihan News Agency, Ankara
Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006
zaman.com

The Iranian Ambassador to Ankara, Firouz Dowlatabadi, has said Iran will support Turkey in case of a possible military operation against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in northern Iraq.
In an interview with Cihan News Agency concerning recent developments in the region, Dowlatadabadi said Turkey’s offensive against PKK terror is perfectly legitimate.
The Iranian ambassador estimates Turkey’s entrance into northern Iraq to eradicate terrorist hideouts will not affect Iran.
“Turkey has the right to annihilate terrorists wherever they are found. Iran is ready to do its best to help Turkey,” Dowlatabadi continued.
Ambassador Dowlatabadi said the American approach to the PKK is an example of a double-standard, noting, “Israel began to strike Palestine using captured Israeli soldiers as their excuse.”
Turkey has a good case to fight against the separatist terror organization which martyrs Turkish soldiers every day.
“Countries that do not hesitate to kill dozens of people in revenge for the capture of two soldiers, do not have the right to prevent Turkey from suppressing terrorism in northern Iraq,” Dowlatadabadi said in regard to America’s “double standard.”
Concerning the recent pro-Palestine demonstration in Diyarbakir, Dowlatadabadi noted, “The demonstration in Diyarbakir illustrated that Kurds in Turkey do not share the same political tendencies with the PKK.”
“Kurds expressed their anger towards Israeli policies despite the strategies Israel followed in South East Anatolia,” said Dowlatadabadi.
The Iranian ambassador estimated that Israel and America are responsible to some extent for the terrorist acts in East and Southeast Anatolia.
Firouz Dowlatabadi said: “Haaretz newspaper threatened Turkey with ‘supporting the PKK’ following the Hamas visit to Turkey, which shows that Israel has a hand in the latest terrorist incidents. These kinds of threatening expressions have an influence on the bloody events currently occurring in Turkey. America and Israel opened the way for the attacks against the Turkish army.”