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  • #1

    Are there Persians in Iran?

    Azeri Turks Views:

    The name Persia is a misunderstanding by the Western historians. Iran was always called Iranzamin ( The Land of Iran) and people in Iran are Iranians and not Persians. Iranian and Persian are the same thing. There are no Persians in Iran. Persian is only a language. There are no such people in Iran. All the people in Iran are "Iranians".

    Persian Views:
    Iranian and Persian are not the same thing. Yes. Iran has been called Iranzamin (the Land of Iran) or Iranshahr (Iran City). Possibly limited areas of Iran were called these names. Ferdowsi's book from 1000 years ago mentions IranZamin or The Land of Iran. But people of Iran were not called "Iranians". They were called Sogdians,Parthians, Baktrians,Khorasanis, Khuzis, Persians, Medes etc. Also different parts of Iran were called Pars,Parthia,Bactria, Sogdia, Khorasan, Media etc. We rarely see the term Iran or IranShahr or IranZamin used to describe these parts.

    There was no "Iranian label" covering all the ethnic groups of Iran. "Iranian" is a modern creation and points to all the citizens of Iran of any ethnic race. The term "Iranian" has no historical and ethnic significance.

    Persian history states that Persians built the Persian Empire. Parthians defeated the Greek Army of Alexander after Alexander the Great death in Babylon and saved Persia from Greek invaders. Alexander the Great could not defeat the Bactrians. Alexander the Great married a Persian princess, Roxxana from Sogdia. There was a Persian Empire and a Parthian Empire. But there was never any "Iranian Empire" in Persian history.

    Persian history never states that "Iranians" did this or that as Azeri Turks imaginary history claims.

    Replacing the term Persian with "Iranian" Azeri Turks are trying to include themselves in some imaginary history of Persia when Azeri Turks did not even live in Iran. Azeri Turks presence in Iran is mainly from 15 century A.D. The purpose of all this is to prove that there was no Persian Empire and it was an "Iranian Empire". And Azeri Turks are "Iranians" and are inheritors of history and traditions of "Iranian Empire" as Azeri Turk Shirin Ebadi claims.

    Azeri Turk Shirin Ebadi the Nobel Peace Prize winner claims in a speech when receiving the Nobel Prize in Oslo, Norway:

    "I am an Iranian and a descendant of Cyrus the Great Iranian Empire!!!!!"



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  • #2
    How does this have anything to do with Armenia?

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    • #3
      What is "Iranian"?

      1. The Azeri Turk Saffavids regime in 16 century, executed more than 70.000 persians only in Isfahan. They also killed millions of Zoarastrian and imposed the Shia religion on Iran.

      2. The current Azeri Turk regime in Tehran has executed 200.000 people. It is still stoning people. Everybody in Iran agrees that this regime has no "Iranian" or "Persian" culture. Culturally they are related to primitive Turk tribes in Caucasus where they originate.

      3. Iranian is a modern concept since 18 century. Iranian defines the citizens of Iran regardless of their ethnic background.

      4. Iranian is a meaningless term as it is used by Azeri Turks.Azeri Turks use "Iranian" in a racial, ethnic and cultural meaning.

      5. Azeri Turks should be described as Azeri turks who inhabit Iran. The term "Iranian" confuses the issues and assigns imaginary properties to Azeri Turks.

      6. Azeri Turks relation to Iran in terms of culture is very similar to the situation of Kurds in Turkey. Kurds in Turkey are considered Non-Turks in Turkish society. Azeri Turks have a similar relation to the natives of Iran. Azeri Turks are "Non-Iranians".

      7. Non-Iranians think that "Iranian" is something similar to a German. That is Germany and Germans. That is not what "Iranian" mean. Others think "Iranian" is similar to an American which can mean any race or ethnic group in US. "Iranian" is not even equal to an American. The reason is that US is a developed nation state and Americans identify themselves with Americanism. Iran is not even a nation state in that sense. The ethnic identity in Iran is stronger than the label "Iranian". It is similar to if Californians had their own ethnic identity which was stronger than being an American.

      8. Azeris use "Iranian" as if it was equal to a German.

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      • #4
        Iranian Nationalism as a Modern Creation

        Did people call themselves "Iranian" and were they "Iranian" Nationalist in ancient times? Is the current regime "Iranian Nationalism" based on Persian traditions or Azeri turk Saffavids policies?

        The main conflict in the regime is not the conflict between Moderate Islamist and the "Radical" Islamist. There are many Islamic countries around Iran and none look like Iran. Religion is completely irrelavant in Iran. The main conflict is between Pan-Turk Azeris and the Natives of Iran.

        The current Azeri regime in Tehran is a copy of Saffavids Azeri Turk regime in 16 century. It follows all its policies, from "Iranian Racial Nationalism" to use of force and mass murder. "Iranian Racial nationalism" is very similar to German Nazism and that is what Mr. Ahmadinejad is pursuing. The only difference within the Pan-Turk Azeris is with those who claim they are "secular" Pan-Turks. They agree on objectives but they want to carry their "Iranian Racial nationalism" with "democratic and Pluralistic" methods.

        Contrary to claims by Azeris, the traditions of Persian Empire was not based on "ethnic Iranian Nationalism" but on cultural bonds and values of very diverse nations which were included in the Persian Empire. The ideology and traditions of Russian Empire was based on the Persian Empire. What Azeris recommend is the Azeri Turk Saffavids regime from 16 century which is similar to Nazi Germany than to the Persian traditions.

        This is exactly the reason that Azeris manufacture lies about the origin of Azeris as "Iranian Aryans" and they are "mixed with Persians, Kurds" and anybody else they can find. They borrow this ideology and terminology from Jewish Liberal "Nazist" associated with the democratic party in USA.

        The following article claims that "Iranian Nationalism" is an ancient ideology and recommends suppression of ethnic groups in Iran under the cover of fighting tribalism and "separatism". Azeri Turk authors are followers of Azeri Saffavids aims of "Iranian Nationalis" but claims this could be done in a "pluralistic and democratic way".

        Contrary to its claims it recommends a strong state modelled on Saffavid Azeri Turks model from 16 century and wants to have ethnic cleansing of tribes and creation of an "Iranian nation" which is actually an "Azeri Turk Iranian Nation."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kharpert
          How does this have anything to do with Armenia?
          The regime in Tehran is spending money on "Pan-Iranism" propoganda trying to bring Armenia under its control. This explains that "Pan-Iranism" is actually "Pan-Turkism".

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          • #6
            No, none of your rhetoric has had any relation to that statement. You've done nothing but talk about the distinctions between Azeri Turks and Persians with no end in sight.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kharpert
              No, none of your rhetoric has had any relation to that statement. You've done nothing but talk about the distinctions between Azeri Turks and Persians with no end in sight.
              You should read carefully what I have written.

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              • #8
                Yeah most of us agree Oslonor, it's time to give it a rest. Actually, it was time to give it a rest weeks ago when I asked you to do so. Now I'm telling you... Find something else to talk about (with a clearer connection to Armenia) or get lost

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hovik
                  Yeah most of us agree Oslonor, it's time to give it a rest. Actually, it was time to give it a rest weeks ago when I asked you to do so. Now I'm telling you... Find something else to talk about (with a clearer connection to Armenia) or get lost
                  The regime in Tehran will change. And we will see who gets lost? By the way your forum has been abondoned by Armenians. They go the other one.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by oslonor
                    The regime in Tehran will change. And we will see who gets lost? By the way your forum has been abondoned by Armenians. They go the other one.
                    The only one lost here is a certain Scandinavian-American...

                    I think all you see or hear is yourself, thats why you think there aren't any Armenians here... and supposing Armenians are abandoning the forum, one would have to look no further than your nauseating babble, and constant blog-plugging to explain such a phenomena...

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