Interesting Kurdish perspective

[lal]

Regarding Karabakh, I recently read some of Thomas Goltz's "diary" on the conflict. I think he would be an advocate of a second genocide (though he wouldn't call it that). Reading through the diary, you definitely get the feeling that he believes that the pogroms against Armenians throughout Azerbaijan were permissible (and of course, engineered by the Soviet government and -- Armenians!). He also quotes Azeris insulting Persian Armenians during a visit to Iran. Oh, and he denies the genocide.

Anyway, why not try to structure Karabakh like Lebanon? An independent republic with an Armenian president and Azeri prime minister? Do they really need to live under either Armenia and Azerbaijan? Both countries have shown that they cannot absorb or take care of the refugees.

We can look at the problem either from nationalist point of view or as a peaceful world person. if we are an armenian nationalist,ofcourse we are not going to give back karabağ to nobody. and we will go on supporting anything damaging azeris or turks. we will demand the eastern anatolian lands.
and if you are an azeri nationalist you will swear to god to get karabağ back, you will allways pressure turkey to keep the borders close,economicly damage armenia etc.for these people reaching peace is not important. beating the other side,winning is important.

well ,this is a style that most of the people have.

but also there are others in this world who are ready to understand each other. who are against wars and struggles. we may be not too many. but ı believe we must show ourselves.

Cyprus can become a united country this year. if this can happen and if karabağ problem can be solved as you offered or like in cyprus. suddenly everything can change. maybe some armenians can turn back to baku. and azeris go back to karabağ. turkish border opens. armenia can be included in pipe lines projects etc. all is possible. maybe an apology on state level will take a long time, but on individual level more and more turks will accept the reality. we will be visiting our countries more and people will understand each other. maybe some armenians will forgive us for our ansectors crimes. maybe some armenians start making a loby for turkey in the west. maybe armenia and turkey become a real ally. maybe many armenians will turn back to their homeland anatolia and to their churches. maybe one day we will remember that we were sisters and brothers of anatolia racially and culturally.

love

lal

[bell-the-cat]

We can look at the problem either from nationalist point of view or as a peaceful world person.

You are a peaceful world person, Lal - but the problem is that nobody in Azerbaijan is .... not a single one.

[lal]

You are a peaceful world person, Lal - but the problem is that nobody in Azerbaijan is .... not a single one.

well may be so , ı dont know. after what maniac georgia did now, osetia and abhazia will become new independent countries just like
kosova in balkans. so ı can safely say that karabağ also already became an independent another small country now. maybe this is also good for azerbeycan since now they will have only azeris living there and will have a more stable and democratic country. but untill azeris accept this reality, turkey - armenian relations can not become normal ım afraid.

in the coming footballmatch ı want turkey to win. ı am a peacefull world person but also a little turk.

ı wish all 10 or more small countries in cacausia can form a peacefull atmosphere and become friends. so economy can develop here and wars end for ever. ı hope usa and russia can let this area alone.
we dont want war zones here.

ı think if new countries osetia,abhazia, and georgia,armenia,dağıstan,azerbeycan, chechenya, karabağ can all have WOMEN leaders,only then we can have a free peacefull great caucasion union.

[Alexandros]

You are a peaceful world person, Lal - but the problem is that nobody in Azerbaijan is .... not a single one.

I have spoken with some Azeris and I don`t like to generalize but as soon as they find out that I`m Greek they get very aggressive.But it`s exactly the opposite with most of the Turks - they are for the most friendly.Could it be that Azeris are more nationalistic than Turks?Don`t know...

[Steph]

Anyway, why not try to structure Karabakh like Lebanon? An independent republic with an Armenian president and Azeri prime minister? Do they really need to live under either Armenia and Azerbaijan? Both countries have shown that they cannot absorb or take care of the refugees.

Whaaat?..............that idea is beyond surreal.

[Peter Stitt]

Hi Steph and Joseph and all other friends there, I hope all is well with you and life is good despite this world in which we all live.

As usual, my life is up and down but full of cynical optimism. Thankfully I have recently found out why I have been so exhausted physically for the last five years so I now have the rather strong medication to deal with it. Apparently, whilst taking the bodies of young Kurdish boys (who died in car crashes in the UK) back to South Kurdistan (Iraq) so their families could bury them, I caught a non-contagious form of tuberculosis from the water in Amed (Diyarbakir) or Silopi in North Kurdistan. It is heavy, especially as I am now a singer with lungs that don't work properly, but now we know what it is we can deal with it so I will slowly start recovering. No regrets, I did the right thing and I would do it again tomorrow. Other than that I have my children around me so I am the happiest man in the world.

Out of courtesy I felt it would be appropriate to post you my most recently published piece on Kurdish Aspect so here it is. If any of you wish to contact me directly and inform me more thoroughly of the Armenian aspects of this whole subject then please feel free to email me at [email protected] because I do not wish to hide behind a magazine or website and my Irish Catholic/Scottish Protestant parents made sure that I do view ALL people as MY people so I should listen to everyone's opinion and story and treat everyone with love and respect. I also know the limits of my knowledge and understanding and wish to know more, directly from the people involved.

God bless Armenia and the Armenian people and may this tortured world find some peace,

Peter

Self determination is the way forward for the world (Kurdistan or Tibet)

Kurdishaspect.com - By Peter Stitt

In response to the article "Put Kirkuk to a vote, analysts say" carried by UPI I have to applaud their findings.

The current problems between Georgia and Russia date back to the drawing of the regional boundaries of Georgia that included two completely Russian areas being placed under Georgian jurisdiction. When everyone else in the UK was complaining abut Russia's recent military actions I was saying that they were defending "Russian people" who had been attacked by the Georgian government forces. That border decision was made at the same time as Sevres and Lausanne, the division of Ireland, the ceding of an entirely Armenian area to Azerbejan. All of these decisions, made by utter idiots who bought their commissions, has led to over a hundred years of conflict and endless suffering for untold millions.

The bottom line is that the people who live in what can be defined as a territory should be able to decide which regional authority they wish to belong to. Self determination is the only way forward and so it is with Kirkuk.

And just to annoy the Turkomen who would love to believe that their people have been there since the beginning of time, the Persians have a better claim on Kirkuk than you have so shut up immediately. So how about the people who were there before the Persian Empire? The Kurds and other peoples, certainly not Turks who appeared on the scene thousands of years later. An independent referendum in Kirkuk is long overdue and it would be a constitutional betrayal by the Iraqi government if it were not to occur. If that occurred then I guarantee another one hundred years of conflict in the area and I will gladly contribute personally to it.

On another related issue may I ask all Kurds at every level, from government officials to private citizens, to please take into account the feelings and history of the Assyrians and Armenians. Kurdistan needs friends and so do they. Individually you are nothing but collectively you could be formidable. There is a potentially huge common cause of the smaller peoples of the middle-east/Asia minor there, use it Kurdistan, Armenia and Assyria.

At the end of the day I am just another human being who wants to see "fair play" but all of us have a voice and it is our duty to make that voice heard for Kurds, Armenians, for Assyrians and, yes, also, for Turks, Iranians, Syrians and Iraqis. That's what puts us above the politicians, we see people not profit.

Biji Kurdistan and let's see that Kirkuk referendum

[lal]

Hi Steph and Joseph and all other friends there, I hope all is well with you and life is good despite this world in which we all live.

As usual, my life is up and down but full of cynical optimism. Thankfully I have recently found out why I have been so exhausted physically for the last five years so I now have the rather strong medication to deal with it. Apparently, whilst taking the bodies of young Kurdish boys (who died in car crashes in the UK) back to South Kurdistan (Iraq) so their families could bury them, I caught a non-contagious form of tuberculosis from the water in Amed (Diyarbakir) or Silopi in North Kurdistan. It is heavy, especially as I am now a singer with lungs that don't work properly, but now we know what it is we can deal with it so I will slowly start recovering. No regrets, I did the right thing and I would do it again tomorrow. Other than that I have my children around me so I am the happiest man in the world.

Out of courtesy I felt it would be appropriate to post you my most recently published piece on Kurdish Aspect so here it is. If any of you wish to contact me directly and inform me more thoroughly of the Armenian aspects of this whole subject then please feel free to email me at [email protected] because I do not wish to hide behind a magazine or website and my Irish Catholic/Scottish Protestant parents made sure that I do view ALL people as MY people so I should listen to everyone's opinion and story and treat everyone with love and respect. I also know the limits of my knowledge and understanding and wish to know more, directly from the people involved.

God bless Armenia and the Armenian people and may this tortured world find some peace,

Peter

Self determination is the way forward for the world (Kurdistan or Tibet)

Kurdishaspect.com - By Peter Stitt

In response to the article "Put Kirkuk to a vote, analysts say" carried by UPI I have to applaud their findings.

The current problems between Georgia and Russia date back to the drawing of the regional boundaries of Georgia that included two completely Russian areas being placed under Georgian jurisdiction. When everyone else in the UK was complaining abut Russia's recent military actions I was saying that they were defending "Russian people" who had been attacked by the Georgian government forces. That border decision was made at the same time as Sevres and Lausanne, the division of Ireland, the ceding of an entirely Armenian area to Azerbejan. All of these decisions, made by utter idiots who bought their commissions, has led to over a hundred years of conflict and endless suffering for untold millions.

The bottom line is that the people who live in what can be defined as a territory should be able to decide which regional authority they wish to belong to. Self determination is the only way forward and so it is with Kirkuk.

And just to annoy the Turkomen who would love to believe that their people have been there since the beginning of time, the Persians have a better claim on Kirkuk than you have so shut up immediately. So how about the people who were there before the Persian Empire? The Kurds and other peoples, certainly not Turks who appeared on the scene thousands of years later. An independent referendum in Kirkuk is long overdue and it would be a constitutional betrayal by the Iraqi government if it were not to occur. If that occurred then I guarantee another one hundred years of conflict in the area and I will gladly contribute personally to it.

On another related issue may I ask all Kurds at every level, from government officials to private citizens, to please take into account the feelings and history of the Assyrians and Armenians. Kurdistan needs friends and so do they. Individually you are nothing but collectively you could be formidable. There is a potentially huge common cause of the smaller peoples of the middle-east/Asia minor there, use it Kurdistan, Armenia and Assyria.

At the end of the day I am just another human being who wants to see "fair play" but all of us have a voice and it is our duty to make that voice heard for Kurds, Armenians, for Assyrians and, yes, also, for Turks, Iranians, Syrians and Iraqis. That's what puts us above the politicians, we see people not profit.

Biji Kurdistan and let's see that Kirkuk referendum

well, ı understand kurds desire to have an independent country. but ım sure you very well know that the way pkk fights will not bring a free kurdistan in near future. ı simply cant consider pkk more powerful than turkish army.

instead of burning forests and bombing randomly and killing civilians and finance the struggle by poisining european people by huge illegal drug sales ,you can use more peacefull methods.

in turkey,%70 of people who defines themselves as kurds, live in other parts than south eastern turkey or northern ıraq as you say.istanbul is the city where largest group of kurds live in the world.

first,you have to find a way to take these millions of kurds back to northern kurdistan as you say. second, you will have to find at least one friendly country among your neigbours turkey, iran or ıraq to survive.

ı can guarantee that more than half of turks will want a seperation from kurds with the condition that all of them go back to east. --- not me though---

ı prefer peaceful methods. ı believe that one meter change of borders among countries will bring a hundreds years of bloody fights.

in this century,ı think instead of seperating from each other we must get together and live all together. only reason ı love eu project is, it is a great peace project.

if they can do it, why do we let ourselves to be used by some outside powers and fight with each other.

yes, ı want to see free democratic kurdistan, happy and proud kurds. not second class turkish citizens.but together or not ,we must be always friends.

biji kurdistan.

[chinchilla]

Dilsa Demirbag Sten is a Kurdish journalist from Sweden. In 2006, Dilsa wrote an article in Dagens Nyheter about the Kurdish involvement in the genocide against the christians, her grandmothers stories and how she still had nigthmares from the Armenian women's getting raped and murdered. She also wrote that Turkey should recognize the killings as a genocide and that the genocide is also a part of Swedish history because of the 5.000 Armenians settled in Sweden.

[Joseph]

Hi Steph and Joseph and all other friends there, I hope all is well with you and life is good despite this world in which we all live.

As usual, my life is up and down but full of cynical optimism. Thankfully I have recently found out why I have been so exhausted physically for the last five years so I now have the rather strong medication to deal with it. Apparently, whilst taking the bodies of young Kurdish boys (who died in car crashes in the UK) back to South Kurdistan (Iraq) so their families could bury them, I caught a non-contagious form of tuberculosis from the water in Amed (Diyarbakir) or Silopi in North Kurdistan. It is heavy, especially as I am now a singer with lungs that don't work properly, but now we know what it is we can deal with it so I will slowly start recovering. No regrets, I did the right thing and I would do it again tomorrow. Other than that I have my children around me so I am the happiest man in the world.

Out of courtesy I felt it would be appropriate to post you my most recently published piece on Kurdish Aspect so here it is. If any of you wish to contact me directly and inform me more thoroughly of the Armenian aspects of this whole subject then please feel free to email me at [email protected] because I do not wish to hide behind a magazine or website and my Irish Catholic/Scottish Protestant parents made sure that I do view ALL people as MY people so I should listen to everyone's opinion and story and treat everyone with love and respect. I also know the limits of my knowledge and understanding and wish to know more, directly from the people involved.

God bless Armenia and the Armenian people and may this tortured world find some peace,

Peter

Self determination is the way forward for the world (Kurdistan or Tibet)

Kurdishaspect.com - By Peter Stitt

In response to the article "Put Kirkuk to a vote, analysts say" carried by UPI I have to applaud their findings.

The current problems between Georgia and Russia date back to the drawing of the regional boundaries of Georgia that included two completely Russian areas being placed under Georgian jurisdiction. When everyone else in the UK was complaining abut Russia's recent military actions I was saying that they were defending "Russian people" who had been attacked by the Georgian government forces. That border decision was made at the same time as Sevres and Lausanne, the division of Ireland, the ceding of an entirely Armenian area to Azerbejan. All of these decisions, made by utter idiots who bought their commissions, has led to over a hundred years of conflict and endless suffering for untold millions.

The bottom line is that the people who live in what can be defined as a territory should be able to decide which regional authority they wish to belong to. Self determination is the only way forward and so it is with Kirkuk.

And just to annoy the Turkomen who would love to believe that their people have been there since the beginning of time, the Persians have a better claim on Kirkuk than you have so shut up immediately. So how about the people who were there before the Persian Empire? The Kurds and other peoples, certainly not Turks who appeared on the scene thousands of years later. An independent referendum in Kirkuk is long overdue and it would be a constitutional betrayal by the Iraqi government if it were not to occur. If that occurred then I guarantee another one hundred years of conflict in the area and I will gladly contribute personally to it.

On another related issue may I ask all Kurds at every level, from government officials to private citizens, to please take into account the feelings and history of the Assyrians and Armenians. Kurdistan needs friends and so do they. Individually you are nothing but collectively you could be formidable. There is a potentially huge common cause of the smaller peoples of the middle-east/Asia minor there, use it Kurdistan, Armenia and Assyria.

At the end of the day I am just another human being who wants to see "fair play" but all of us have a voice and it is our duty to make that voice heard for Kurds, Armenians, for Assyrians and, yes, also, for Turks, Iranians, Syrians and Iraqis. That's what puts us above the politicians, we see people not profit.

Biji Kurdistan and let's see that Kirkuk referendum

Thank you for the article Peter, I enjoyed it very much and I do visit your site from time to time to get a Kurdish view on things. I wish you a speedy recovery and my best wishes.

[Peter Stitt]

Thank you Joseph, you are a gentleman.

It's ironic isn't it that the very mention of the words "Kurdistan", "Armenian" or whatever can create such reactions? The bottom line is that every nation produces good and bad people and we all, as nations, have something in our pasts that are not easy to live with. Of all the writers in the Kurdish media, I have been the single most outspoken writer in my criticism of PKK over the last eight years. I see no military solution to any problem (though military action is sometimes required to prepare the way for negotiation), the only solution to any dispute is a political one.

Knowing you to be a welcoming soul Joseph, I am sure you will celebrate the fact that a Kurdish friend of mine, who also happens to be a very accomplished violinist, has been teaching music in Armenia for the last couple of years and also participated in banned cultural events in Turkey to protest against the desecration and destruction of Armenian culture (mainly churches) by the Turkish state. There is a way forward together.

God bless Joseph and thank you for your kind words,

Peter