Islam-Christian or Romano.Germanist.Catholicism-Turkish.Kemalist.Securalism Dialogue?

[CRDA-France]

The journey of Benedict XVI in Turkey was presented as "a pastoral journey for Islam-Christian Dialogue".

In fact it was more

a dialogue between
Germanist.Roman.Catholicism
and
Turkish.Kemalist.Securalism

http://www.crda-france.org/fr/breligion/islam/1dialogue_benoitxviturquie.htm

We have to remember that Turkey is not a lay country ("laic") as in France or Ireland, but is a securalist country : that is to say the religion is part of the State by the Ministry of Religious Affairs, the Diyanet, http://www.diyanet.gov.tr/english/default.asp

In Turkey, Islam is at the service of the State and of its kemalist denial ideology. Turkish Islam is emptied from its religious spirituality, otherwise the Sheikh ul Islam of Turkey would have recognized the Genocide, as any religious organism : as German Catholic Hierarchy condemned Nazi crimes.

We have to work on that thought and space debate.

Nil

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/showthread.php?t=2655

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/showthread.php?t=2669

http://www.crda-france.org/fr/breligion/islam/1dialogue_benoitkemalisme1.htm

[Gavur]

I agree!

[dready]

I thinks it's the other way around, I mean Turkey is a "laic" country(or to put it better, enforces laicism) but not a secular one. I know it sounds like playing with the words but there's a difference. Let me explain.

Laicism is a state policy, secularism is a social quality. So, states can be "laic" and societies can be "secular". That's the nuance. States may choose to enforce laicist policies to form a secular society. Yes, Turkey does not possess a secular community like France, but even France had to implement laicism around 18th century. You can not literally compare European secularism and Turkish secularism, Europe experienced the feudal era which was dominated by religious figures and religion itself. Religion was the cohesion ideology of their society and was shattered into pieces, thanks to infrastructure revolutions. Turkey never experienced that, actually experienced the quite opposite, where religious hegemony was put to an end by an elite group belonging to an upper class, suprastructure, meaning that reforms were prepared by the elite and given to masses without asking their opinion. That's why Turkey is experiencing big time problems with their own system.

To address your other point(which happens to be the main one), I just can't see how it will work. I mean they probably condemn what happened like the aforementioned example, but they will find a way to twist it so they can remain neutral imo.

[CRDA-France]

...they probably condemn what happened like the aforementioned example, but they will find a way to twist it so they can remain neutral imo.

Even if they remain neutral, it is a positive resultat. Because the Turkish deniars (with the sympathy and the help of multinational companies) are so offensvie.

We have to work on the Muslims Space with its differents situations :

-1/ The Muslim States and their leaders : Iran, Arab countries, Asiatic countries and Africa,

-2/ the Muslim Individuals and Associations in the Muslims countries,

-3/ the Muslim Individuals and Associations in Europe,

-4/ the Muslim Individuals and Associations in America.

Nil
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