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  • #11
    Thanks Bell, and a huge thanks to you Ardakilic. Thanks for all the info.
    Are there any international Organisations recognising this?

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    • #12
      Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
      It should be Dersim Massacres.

      Another information: M. Kemal's daughter-in-law Sabiha Gokcen (which an airport name in Istanbul now) bombed villages with her airplane.
      Correction:
      She was his adopted (brainwashed and Stockholm syndrom affected)daughter,not daughter in-law (Kemal did not have children), who according to evidence that was presented by Agos she was an Armenian survivor of the Genocide(1915).
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #13
        Wow bro, I didn't know that she was a survivor, do you have a link I can check out Gavur?

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        • #14


          A man who fought for truth Hrant Dink.

          This issue started all the death threats against this martyr for truth.


          ...Anti- Campaigns and Court Cases

          In 2002 Hrant Dink was sued for a speech he made at a conference in Urfa about identity and citizenship. It was 2006 by the time he was finally acquitted. However the real intense period of court cases he was subjected to began in February 6, 2004 when an article was published in Agos under his name claiming that Sabiha Gokcen, the step-daughter of Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic, might be of Armenian origin and had relatives in Armenia. In the story, entitled 'Secret of Sabiha Hatun,' Hripsime Sebilciyan, an Armenian from Gaziantep, the Southeast of Turkey, who later took Armenian citizenship, claimed that she was Gökçen's niece and Sabiha Gökçen was an Armenian orphan adopted from an orphanage.

          Two weeks later on February 21st, Hurriyet, the biggest daily paper of Turkey, carried the story to its headline: 'Is she Sabiha Gokcen or Hatun Sebilciyan?' The next day Turkish military Chief of Staff's office issued a strongly worded statement, which said 'She (Sabiha Gokcen), who is a Turk and the first war pilot of the Turkish Armed Forces, is an honorary member of the Turkish air force. Sabiha Gokcen is also a valuable and a strong symbol of Turkish women, and she represents Atatürk's vision of the ideal place of Turkish women in modern Turkish society. Opening such a figure to debate, for whatever purpose, makes no contribution to national integrity and social peace. It is unacceptable to qualify a claim, which is published in an abusive discourse against national sentiments and values, as 'newsmaking.' These days, when we are in need of very strong national solidarity, the majority of our people understand the purpose of such news stories that are against our national integrity, solidarity and national values and follow these publications with concern."

          Following this statement, Dink was called to the Istanbul Governor's Office and he was 'warned' by two people, who introduced themselves as friends of Deputy Governor Erol Gungor. These two people still remain unidentified. At the same time the extreme right wing of Turkish media started a campaign against Dink. As part of the anti-campaign, a single sentence out of his 8 week series of columns (dated February 13, 2004) on the Armenian identity in his column was pulled out of context and his critical approach towards the attitude of Diaspora Armenians about their relations with Turkey was completely distorted and dismissed .On the contrary, the singled out sentence "The clean blood that will fill the vacuum of poisonous blood emerging through the lack of the "Turk" is present in the noble vain that will be established by the Armenian with Armenia. " was introduced in a hostile manner as" Hrant Dink insults Turkish identity". Thus this inspired a new court case.

          Despite the supportive report of court experts stating that the newspaper article bore no element of any crime at all , Hrant Dink was still convicted on charges of "publicly insulting and degrading Turkishness" and sentenced to 6 months in jail by Sisli Criminal Court in Istanbul on October 7, 2005. The verdict was approved by tha Ninth Penalty Council of the Supreme Court. The Head Prosecutors Office of the Republican Supreme Court rejected this verdict, but the rejection was refused by the General Penalty Council at the Supreme Court of Appeals. When Dink made a statement on the verdict, a new case was filed - this time on charges of 'attempting to influence the judiciary'. ......
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #15
            Very interesting.Thanks for posting Gavur.

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            • #16
              Agreed with Alexandros, that is very interesting.
              I see your point with Stockholm syndrome.
              Almost reminds me of the Patty Hearst story in a way

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                Correction:
                She was his adopted (brainwashed and Stockholm syndrom affected)daughter,not daughter in-law (Kemal did not have children), who according to evidence that was presented by Agos she was an Armenian survivor of the Genocide(1915).
                Sorry, i used the term daughter in law in the meaning of adoption. Because of my bad translation.

                It was actually "manevi kız" (spiritual daughter:P) and her records exist in Gedikpasha Armenian Orphanage.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Pedro Xaramillo View Post
                  Thanks Bell, and a huge thanks to you Ardakilic. Thanks for all the info.
                  Are there any international Organisations recognising this?
                  You are welcome.

                  There was a conference about Dersim Genocide in Europe Parliament.

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