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Why did Armenia decline the Turkey's suggestion about opening the state archives?

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  • Why did Armenia decline the Turkey's suggestion about opening the state archives?

    in 2005, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan suggested Armenia to open state archives and establish a neutral historians commision to research what happened in 1915 but Armenia declined this suggestion. if the Armenians are right about unproven so called genocide theory, why doesn't Armenia let the neutral historians research about it?

    check this video before posting a message pls;



    no offence, just currious...

  • #2
    Originally posted by tansel View Post
    in 2005, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan suggested Armenia to open state archives and establish a neutral historians commision to research what happened in 1915 but Armenia declined this suggestion. if the Armenians are right about unproven so called genocide theory, why doesn't Armenia let the neutral historians research about it?

    check this video before posting a message pls;



    no offence, just currious...
    Sarafian replied this "offer" positively and offered to take Harput (Kharpert) as a case study to begin. Halacoglu replied "We have no documents about Harput".

    Also there is a mass grave event which shows everytihng very clearly.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tansel View Post
      in 2005, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan suggested Armenia to open state archives and establish a neutral historians commision to research what happened in 1915 but Armenia declined this suggestion. if the Armenians are right about unproven so called genocide theory, why doesn't Armenia let the neutral historians research about it?

      check this video before posting a message pls;


      no offence, just currious...
      You're beating a dead horse there.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #4
        "...neutral historians commision..."

        Ahem.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tansel View Post
          in 2005, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan suggested Armenia to open state archives and establish a neutral historians commision to research what happened in 1915 but Armenia declined this suggestion. if the Armenians are right about unproven so called genocide theory, why doesn't Armenia let the neutral historians research about it?

          check this video before posting a message pls;



          no offence, just currious...
          Tansel, we are not going to sit down and read your forged deportation papers and such. Frankly we don't feel that it is appropriate for us to teach you your history, something you know very well already.

          The Turkish archives covering the period of the Armenian Genocide are not opened to the public. They are only open to Turkish scholars and persons friendly to Turkey.

          The Turkish archives have been closed so long that scholars have no idea of what is being purged. Furthermore, the work of the Genocide was done under the aegis of the Committee of Union and Progress, a shadow government similar to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and in particular by its Special Organization (Teskilat-i Mahsusa) under the notorious Dr. Behaettin Shakir who was sentenced to death in absentia by a Turkish court-martial following World War I. Will their records be opened?

          Keep in mind that the Turks have adopted the line of "leave Armenian history to the historians" because they are losing their propaganda battle. The issue of the Armenian Genocide is not a question of historical truth, that has been settled; it is rather an issue of morality and the acceptance of the truth.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Edoman View Post
            The Turkish archives covering the period of the Armenian Genocide are not opened to the public. They are only open to Turkish scholars and persons friendly to Turkey.
            That's not true Edoman. Taner Akcam published a book "Armenian Question Has Been Dissolved" in this year.

            He proves even based on present Ottoman Archives, AG can be proven easily.

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            • #7
              The problem is that no matter how many times we say something, the Turks will simply change the topic, not facing the truth or they'll simply never answer the questions that make sense.
              THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ardakilic
                Sarafian replied this "offer" positively and offered to take Harput (Kharpert) as a case study to begin. Halacoglu replied "We have no documents about Harput".

                Also there is a mass grave event which shows everytihng very clearly.
                if it is possible can u share a source link that can contain details about sarafian's reply.

                thank you.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tansel View Post
                  if it is possible can u share a source link that can contain details about sarafian's reply.

                  thank you.
                  I am sorry, i post this quote from ordinary Turkish magazine (Yeni Aktuel) in Turkish in order to convince tansel. It contains Sarafian's reply.

                  Source: Yeni Aktuel, sayı:89.

                  "Sınır dışı edilenler hükümet tarafından kaydedilmeliydi"

                  Sarafyan'ın Yeni Aktüel'e açıkladığı gerekçe özetle şu: "Harput'la ilgili çok iyi bir durum çalışması yaparız diye düşünüyordum, çünkü elimizde Amerika'dan, Almanya'dan, Türkiye ve Ermenistan'dan çok fazla kaynak ve bilgi var. Halaçoğlu, Türkiye'nin 1915 olaylarının sıradan olaylar olduğunu, insanların bir yerden sınır dışı edilip başka bölgelere yerleştirilmesinin olağan şeyler olduğunu düşündüğünü ve Türkiye'nin 1915'te Ermeniler'in Harput'tan nasıl sınır dışı edildiklerine dair resmi yayınları olduğunu söylemişti. Halaçoğlu bu belgelerin erişilebilir olduğunu ve bizimle paylaşabileceklerini söyledi."
                  Ara Sarafyan'a göre, çalışmanın başlamadan bitmesinin tek nedeni Halaçoğlu'nun görüşmeden kısa bir süre sonra ellerinde belge ve kayıt olmadığını söylemesi. "Sınır dışı etme kanununa göre 1915'te sınır dışı edilen tüm Ermeniler hükümet tarafından hane hane, isim isim kaydedilmeli. Bu kayıtlar İçişleri Bakanlığı'nda saklanır. Halaçoğlu, bana bunların kayıtlarını gösterebilirdi. 'Ermeniler'in daha önceki ev, para gibi mal varlıkları daha sonra yerleştirildikleri bölgeye transfer edildi' deniyor. Fakat bizdeki kaynaklar Harput'taki Ermeniler'in yüzde 40'ının mal varlığının hükümete gittiği yönünde. 45 bin kişi de Suriye'ye ve İsrail'e yerleştirildi. Bu bölgelere yerleştirilen 45 bin kişiye ne oldu? Bunlar benim için sorulması gereken sorular. Sadece Harput için değil, Sivas, Adana, Yozgat, Erzincan'la ilgili belgeler nerede?"
                  Ara Sarafyan, elindeki belgelere göre çok sayıda Ermeni'nin Harput'ta öldürüldüğünü iddia ediyor. "Ermeniler sınır dışı kanununa uygun sınır dışı edildiyse bu insanlarla ilgili kayıtlar nerede? Halaçoğlu, bana değil ama bir TV programında konuyla ilgili belgelerin yok edildiğini, bu yüzden ellerinde olmadığını söyledi. Bu belgeler yok edildiyse kim yok etti? Ayrıca Halaçoğlu tüm bu dokümanların yok edildiğini nereden biliyor?"
                  Sarafyan, Halaçoğlu'nun görüşmeme gerekçesinin daha makul olması gerektiğini söylüyor ve "dokümanlar yok edildi" gerekçesini reddediyor. "Halaçoğlu'nun bu davranışı sadece Ermeni lobisinin daha da güçlenmesine yarayacaktır. Çok üzgünüm ki bu durum radikal Ermeniler tarafından Türkler'e karşı kullanılacaktır. Türkiye'deki tarihçilere iki soru soruyorum: Benim teklifim hakkında ne düşünüyorsunuz? Halaçoğlu'nun dokümanları olmadığı yönündeki cevabı mantıklı mıdır?" Sarafyan, hâlâ bir platformda buluşulacağından ve belgelerin bulunacağından umutlu. "Bence o dokümanlar hâlâ mevcut. Tam bir çözüm bulduğumuzu düşünürken hayal kırıklığı yaşadım. Diğer Türk tarihçilerinin de Halaçoğlu ile aynı görüşte olup olmadığını ve belgelerin yok edilmesi konusunda ne düşündüklerini merak ediyorum."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                    That's not true Edoman. Taner Akcam published a book "Armenian Question Has Been Dissolved" in this year.

                    He proves even based on present Ottoman Archives, AG can be proven easily.
                    That is correct. A sizable portion of the Turkish archives has been open for a long time. However, much of the material was/is not catalogued making it practically inaccessible to most historians and at the same time giving an illusion of openness to those who are not familiar with the specifics of archival research. Taner Akcam deals with it in detail in "From Republic to Empire" but I guess they underestimated his resolve when they let him into the archives.

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