Post Turkish, Armenian and Greek music in this thread!

[may]

look in to the dictionary...

Oh, right! How can I skip that! Thanks VaheTheWise, I have never thought of doing that... Searching on internet, dictionary, googleing it! Yeah! What a wise response! I opened my eyes to the real world!

But, even when I do what you recommend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(music)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphony

And what I understood (of course as much as my intelligence allowed me) it is not possible to say "x music is monadic, y music is polyphonic" as they are opposite definitions.

I thought this is a "discussion" forum, and people can ask questions. And especially if the question is more about a clarification rather than a definition, I thought questions will be responded by answers.

Please, VaheTheWise, help me, do not make me look it up in a useless dictionaries, enlighten me with your wisdom and your deepless knowledge about music that I cannot access in a dictionary.

[Sako]

Could you rephrase your question on couple of pages? I didn’t get it.

You said ...

I do not know how they can offend any of our FRIENDS

Were you talking about the Turks or Armenians?

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Arda and Vahe, I think we are having trouble about terminologies. What do you mean by monadic? Do you mean monophonic?

look in to the dictionary...

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Você sabe muito bem. (I hope that translated correctly)

Well when I think a bit, actually you could say; "Tu sabes muito bem"
That would be less formal I personaly prefer "Tu" to "Voce" when I am with friends. Arent we?

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Were you talking about the Turks or Armenians?

Could you rephrase your question on couple of pages? I didn’t get it

[Sako]

Were you talking about the Turks or Armenians?

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

That's the problem.


Você sabe muito bem. (I hope that translated correctly)

Are you going to get all hurt and put on that innocent facade when you are warned or banned again?

Muito bom! Your translator works just fine

Banned? For what? For loving my nation? Is this an anti-armenian forum or some thing ?

[Sako]

Saco, maybe you're right and I haven't listened enough of Armenian songs. The ones I listened sounded so much familiar to me (similar instruments and musical scales), some songs that has lyrics in both languages etc.

Traditional Rabiz is a mixture of many different types of music, mostly arabic, which Turkish music also sounds like so this means that many other countries have music similar to ours. It's not only Armenian and Turkish music that have something in common. Most countries near Armenia and Turkey have almost the same similarities in their music when compared to our music.

Of course my Armenian music sample may be biased because of my music taste, but for two nations lived in the same geography for a long time, my gut feeling was that the sample I listened could be representative of the general.

I've heard this before and I just want to clear this up. We may have lived very close to each other but that doesn't mean that Turks and Armenians were completely alike. Both our cultures lived side by side but the differences could be seen clearly, we were both alike but very different at the same time. The same goes for our music and ways of living. So when you say we lived together for a long time, that doesn't play a very, very major role. We learned from each other but we remained Armenians and Turks remained Turks (I'm not saying this in a bad way of course). My point is that you can't simply say Armenian and Turkish music is alike because we lived together for so long.

Nevertheless, even Turkish and Armenian songs may not be that close, I think it is harder to draw a line between them. That's what I meant with my post to Edoman. I think similarities are more than the differences and liking one will probably mean liking the other.

Not a bad way to look at it but let me tell you that when I hear Turkish music on my TV, I really sometimes can't stand it. Sorry bro , I won't lie. And I'm sure many Turks, probably you too, can't bear our music sometimes. I'm pretty sharp when it comes to sound, not to brag or anything, I've been playing and listening to music from a very young age so it's easy for me to differentiate Turkish and Armenian music pretty easily. My entire family is very deep into music, physically and mentally, and sometimes we talk about Turkish music, actually more then sometimes, and there is lot's we like and really tons we don't. It's natural though, there's nothing wrong with that.

When it comes to music, you can say I'm not the picky type. I listen and have listened to music from LOT'S of countries which has helped me to appreciate music as a whole. Hell, the fact that I have an entire library of music, lol, proves that not to mention that my house is a museum of musical instruments . There are lot's of people who like only one or two types of music or music from a certain country. Many even mix politics with music as well, not listening to music from a certain country for political reasons. When it comes to me though, I don't say this music is Turkish and this music is Armenian. Music is music and I judge music equally. Politics must never get mixed with music, NEVER.

There is a great gap between Turkish and Armenian music. MAYBE in the past (a century ago) there could have been GREAT similarities but in time, Turkish music and Armenian music went their own ways. Our common habits changed. You also have to remember that traditional music changed after the Genocide both in Turkey and Armenia. No Armenians were left to spread Armenian music around in Turkey or keep it going basically so that the next generation could listen and learn and I'm sure Turks made Turks in general refrain from listening or playing Armenian music. I think this happened naturally, without force actually. People forgot the Armenians existed once so how could they still have lots in common with them?

Music is another world, a world I can't live without, and my point is that after all this, you can trust me when I say that Turkish and Armenian music isn't as alike as it maybe once was. Even traditional Armenian music changed slowly, slowly in Armenia after the Genocide so what to speak of Turkish music being greatly similar to ours, which has changed?

Saco Armenian traditional music has so many different styles so no wonder there may be some styles with Turkish influence. Although the main difference of Armenian and Turkish music is that Turkish music is mostly polyphonic and Armenian predominantly is monadic. So it is very easy to differ the music with Turkish influence.

I don't know but no one can shun the fact that we are different which allows people in general to appreciate music from both Turkey and Armenia individually. That's great actually, not bad/sad. It allows people to learn to truly appreciate.

Let me share a little part of history just to help all of you see why Turkish, Georgian, Azeri, and Armenian music is so alike, just one small reason. All of you know Sayat Sova I'm sure, the poet, troubadour, Gusan, and Qamancha player. Well, he wrote in MANY languages and people from different countries considered him as their own poet and singer. Many didn't consider him as an Armenian although he was. He was a true citizen of the world and was lost in love and music. Till today, 500 years later, there are conversations going around between different people considering whether or not Sayat Nova was considered more of an Armenian, Georgian, Azeri, or Turk, lol. Everyone loved him. So this is one reason why our music is so similar, if similar at all. Many like Sayat Nova shared their music with the world so naturally, many countries picked up a lot along the way. Armenia learned a lot from other's too. Rabiz for example isn't completely a genre created by Armenians although many think it is. Our Rabiz is VERY different though still. By the way, my sister plays Qamancha .

This is another from Andy (In Farsi and Arabic with Spanish guitar) for us Persian Armenians

Edoman Jan, you're a Persian Armenian ?

[chinchilla]

I love the songs.

That's the problem.

I do not know how they can offend any of our FRIENDS

Você sabe muito bem. (I hope that translated correctly)

Are you going to get all hurt and put on that innocent facade when you are warned or banned again?

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkK5XuMZOug&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FjlT0cqwFk&feature=related

I love the songs.

Thanks , bro, lovely vids.

I do not know how they can offend any of our FRIENDS

MAH GAM AZATUTYUN!