Baby Steps

[may]

Re: Baby Steps

point taken may, but where do these 70,ooo work?
Business relationships are always welcome and are a great catalyst for talks between governments.

Hrai, I really have no idea about this 70.000. I heard this statistics very recently and I am not even sure of the number. I sometimes feel like they may be counting anybody that pass the border for business or touristic visit. Even so, that shows an increasing trend for the "talk" anyways.

My gut feeling is, they are probably working in Istanbul with Armenians living there, or right across the border where Armenian speaking people are needed for trade etc. Another option is the craftsmenship (especially silver) which Armenians were famous for in Anatolia. For my curiosity, and for you too, I'll try to find some information. If I can find something, I'll post it here.

[may]

Re: Baby Steps

point taken may, but where do these 70,ooo work?
Business relationships are always welcome and are a great catalyst for talks between governments.

I found something. Actually, your question looks like a question that everybody asks and noone knows the exact answer. That's why there is a call for proposals to investigate the issue. The deadline is 27 February if anyone reading this forum is interested

Below is the project link of Euroasia Partnership Foundation that funds the project:

http://www.epfound.am/index.php?article_id=196&clang=0

At the bottom, scope of work kind of summarizes what is known. A quotation:

"Although there is no accurate data on labor migration from Armenia to Turkey, some sources estimate that between 40,000 and 70,000 Armenian labor migrants work in Istanbul alone. In the absence of official diplomatic relations between the two countries, there are no governmental means to obtain more in-depth knowledge about Armenian migrants in Turkey. Beliefs about the issue in Armenia range from the assumption that these migrants have been left with little hope for changing their legal status and little recourse in cases of abuse at the hands of employers or officials to rumors that Armenian nurses are highly demanded and respected in high-income Turkish households. Therefore, presently there is both popular and official interest in Armenia in the topic of irregular Armenian migrants in Turkey."

[hrai]

Re: Baby Steps

I found something. Actually, your question looks like a question that everybody asks and noone knows the exact answer. That's why there is a call for proposals to investigate the issue. The deadline is 27 February if anyone reading this forum is interested

Below is the project link of Euroasia Partnership Foundation that funds the project:

http://www.epfound.am/index.php?article_id=196&clang=0

At the bottom, scope of work kind of summarizes what is known. A quotation:

"Although there is no accurate data on labor migration from Armenia to Turkey, some sources estimate that between 40,000 and 70,000 Armenian labor migrants work in Istanbul alone. In the absence of official diplomatic relations between the two countries, there are no governmental means to obtain more in-depth knowledge about Armenian migrants in Turkey. Beliefs about the issue in Armenia range from the assumption that these migrants have been left with little hope for changing their legal status and little recourse in cases of abuse at the hands of employers or officials to rumors that Armenian nurses are highly demanded and respected in high-income Turkish households. Therefore, presently there is both popular and official interest in Armenia in the topic of irregular Armenian migrants in Turkey."

Thanks may. I tried the link but it wouldn't open, could you check the address please?
thanks again

[Sako]

Re: Baby Steps

Business relationships are always welcome and are a great catalyst for talks between governments.

We do have relations with Turks. Perhaps not friendly relations but definitely relations for example related to business. One of my relatives sells expensive clothes here in Armenia and she travels to Turkey a lot, many other parts of the world as well. She gets a lot of clothes from Turkey. I know Armenians do other sorts of business perhaps even indirectly with Turks. It's not something new.

And by the way, good to see everyone talking peacefully, congrats ya'll ! This is another baby step...

[hrai]

Re: Baby Steps

That's essentially the punishment. There will be no serious discussions unless both sides stop with the childishness because threads will be closed.

Fair comment.

[hitite]

Re: Baby Steps

Armenians should get rid of the Georgian middle man; they are ripping you guys off.

By the way, off topic, but are their any chain stores in Armenia like K-Mart / Wal-Mart in the US or like Migros in Turkey?

[Sako]

Re: Baby Steps

There are big malls and all if that's what your asking Hitite. And regarding Georgia, I hear the real American dream is a dream come true around there! Don't know much about Georgia when it comes to Georgian-Armenian relations but I would like to know what you mean by "ripping you guys off". Georgia isn't exactly an enemy, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. What's your take on all this?

[hrai]

Re: Baby Steps

There are big malls and all if that's what your asking Hitite. And regarding Georgia, I hear the real American dream is a dream come true around there! Don't know much about Georgia when it comes to Georgian-Armenian relations but I would like to know what you mean by "ripping you guys off". Georgia isn't exactly an enemy, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. What's your take on all this?

hitite was saying that Georgian's are the middle-men, that's where the rip-off comes..........duh.
"Georgia isn't exactly an enemy" nor is it a friend, Georgia's support goes to azerbaboon and have never been seen to help Armenia, in my view.

[may]

Re: Baby Steps

Thanks may. I tried the link but it wouldn't open, could you check the address please?
thanks again

You're welcome Hrai.

I checked the link and it works when I click on it. Please also try

http://www.epfound.am/

I also reached the website via googling "eurasia partnership foundation armenia". Then you can reach the project page from announcements on the right.

The link reads:
"- 03 February 2009
Call for Proposals for Research to Identify the State of Armenian Migrants in Turkey"

[hrai]

Re: Baby Steps

You're welcome Hrai.

I checked the link and it works when I click on it. Please also try

http://www.epfound.am/

I also reached the website via googling "eurasia partnership foundation armenia". Then you can reach the project page from announcements on the right.

The link reads:
"- 03 February 2009
Call for Proposals for Research to Identify the State of Armenian Migrants in Turkey"

thanks may, a really interesting site. I'll revisit it.